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Star Wars ep. VII the Force Awakens

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First off please say when you are going to post spoilers. Apparently there's some people with a life who haven't seen it yet..

I wonder what everyone's thoughts are? I'm a massive Star Wars geek so I'll admit that my insanely high expectations will never be met. I kind of liked the film. I really liked the new characters, except for Kylo Ren and supreme commander Gollem errr I mean Snoke. Movie was well paced, had some great moments but was leaning way too heavily on the nostalgia factor.

I can't wait to go into detail, but I guess we will save it for later

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I've seen it yesterday. It makes you to look forward to the next episode and with that it fulfilled its purpose, and it's overall a high quality film with really great characters (the front trio is excellent), funny jokes and one-liners (too much from 1 of the heroes for my taste though) and great special effects. If you're don't care about Star Wars or you're just getting into it, it's a great film to hook you up. However,

 
it's just a rehash of New Hope with a bit of other two episodes of original trilogy. Even the first scene with the star destroyer, main hero/in in the desert, a droid with a map about something very important escapes from the empire and meets our hero. Only difference is that Finn is with Rey from the beginning, not like Leia with Luke. Then they escape from the empire and meet Han Solo, who is now a new Obi-Wan, unsurprisingly he dies as Obi-Wan did. Then they make it to the rebel base or whatever they call it now and attack the Death Star number 3. Solo has to turn off the shield generator as Obi-Wan and Solo himself did in episodes 4 and 6 and then he dies from the hands of the bad guy. Trenches run, boom, Death star gone.

Differences from the New hope- Finn makes to Rey (not like Leia and Luke) in the beginning, new Han Solo gets much less screen time, the main hero/in is captured and then battles the main villain (with a farcical moment of force which makes her Super Saiyan), Yoda/Luke is in the film (again, not a well done scene for me). It's terribly unoriginal. I dislike the prequels for many reasons, but at least Lucas had balls to make something new with the political talk, this is just a safe step for Abrams and writers. A fan service.

With all this said, it's a great film and every fan of Star Wars should watch it, the characters are amazing, the new use of force surprised me in a positive way. I was even whistling the Star wars theme when I was going home, just don't expect anything new story-wise.
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I've seen it yesterday. It makes you to look forward to the next episode and with that it fulfilled its purpose, and it's overall a high quality film with really great characters (the front trio is excellent), funny jokes and one-liners (too much from 1 of the heroes for my taste though) and great special effects. If you're don't care about Star Wars or you're just getting into it, it's a great film to hook you up. However,
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Borderline hated it, very unoriginal, more remake of a New Hope than original film. Wish they had showed real ambition in going for something unique, instead played it super-safe which is great for Disney but as a viewer I didn't appreciate it at all. As a huge fan I wanted something new and they didn't even try for that.



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Re: Star Wars ep. VII the Force Awakens

First some spoilerish parts. Below:

 

1. Are these guys manipulating the Force or something? Snoke I mean, specifically. Because, somehow, they make this "awakening" a thing. Rey and Finn suddenly are able to control the Force, which takes years to do in the prequels and OT. Rey is even able to defeat Kylo Ren, without any formal Jedi/Sith/Ren training.
2. They combined the Death Star/Sun Crusher/Centerpoint Station into one single thing: Starkiller Base (which has the name of a character from The Force Unleashed video game). That's a point towards unoriginal.
3. Now the good part. Somehow, the visual dictionary of TFA shows Rakata Prime on the map of the galaxy, which means the Rakata (JJ stated he likes them) may become, or already are part (Maz Kanata word play) of the story. Starkiller Base acts a lot like the Star Forge from KOTOR, it may be a Rakata design as well. And since the Rakata manipulated the Force and weaponized it, it could explain point 1 of the above.
3*. But see, fans of the movies alone will not see 2 and 3, but I think that it is the general idea, when you want people to definitely return for Episode 8.
4. Killing Han like that was totally underwhelming. I mean, sure, it's Ford, he's expensive, his death would have been probable, but that was predictable and pointless, and didn't raise a feeling whatsoever, or didn't raise the feeling it needed to raise.
5. It feels good, it has a good pace, we get to see some of the good stuff, another superweapon explosion.
6. Nostalgia factor, a definitive yes. The story is very similar as Kyrgyros points above.


All in all, I liked it, was expecting more, but it was a good Star Wars movie, appealing to fans of both prequel and original trilogy.
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Just saw it. Very safe but I think there is groundwork there to diverge from the original and do something different. They could not afford to mess this up and they didn't.


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Meh. Disappointed tbh.

It was just a slightly worse version of New hope. It wasn't bad, but there was not enough originality for me to enjoy it.
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Good spectacle full of action but...it felt more like a reboot than a sequel. Too many similarities to the original Star Wars film! They should've done a more unique plot.
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I haven't watched this yet but this article amused me:

Man Who Spoiled New Star Wars Movie Beaten In Theater | God

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BAKERSFIELD, CA – A 20-year-old man named Raymond Chatfield walked out of a premiere of ‘Star Wars: The Force Awakens’ on Thursday night and shouted out a major spoiler, which was heard by almost a hundred people waiting on line in the lobby.

“I was waiting on line to see the 10pm showing,” said witness Robert Selvidge. “Then this snot-nose kid walks past the line, shouts out the ending and starts laughing. He totally ruined the movie for everyone...what a jerk!”

Chatfield was immediately assaulted by a Wookie, a Stormtrooper and Boba Fett.

“I saw it all. This guy shouts out the spoiler right? Within 15 seconds he was on the ground getting his ass stomped,” said another witness, who asked to remain anonymous. “At first the crowd was cheering them on, and I think that made it worse. They beat him up for a solid 5 minutes, kicking him in the balls, punching him in the gut, bitch-slapping him...eventually people got quiet. Even I was like, okay...enough yo.”

The Wookie, the Stormtrooper and Boba Fett were not only not arrested by police, they were even allowed to watch the movie as planned.

“We view this as justifiable assault,” said police chief Greg Richardson. “May the Force be with you.”

The spoiler Raymond Chatfield is currently listed in critical condition in the intensive care unit at Mercy Hospital.

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Like I suspected, the film was okay to good but not more than that. I thought the first half was way better than the second. The only character who has real potential (I say potential because this thing felt like a trailer for next movie and not a movie on its own) is Rey.

The IMDB score is hilarious, what is this? A psychosis of the masses? This movie has NO original content and avarage dialogue. The story is basically the same as in the old movies except not as enchanting. The ONLY reason to rate this movie higher than 7/10 is the nostalgia factor. But oh well, sheep gonna sheep.

 
Also, I like my villains badass and brutal. Kylo Ren? What a complete and utter pussy. Throwing tantrums with his light saber against walls, having daddy issues... wtf is this? He looked like a wimp too. And this guy succeeds Darth Vader? What the hell were they thinking.

Another thing I didn't like is that Luke, Leia, and Solo all failed completely in whatever they were doing after episode VI. I guess that was necessary to set up the plot for Ep VII - IX, but this is actually very out of character for all of them. Just doesn't feel natural.
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Like I suspected, the film was okay to good but not more than that. I thought the first half was way better than the second. The only character who has real potential (I say potential because this thing felt like a trailer for next movie and not a movie on its own) is Rey.

The IMDB score is hilarious, what is this? A psychosis of the masses? This movie has NO original content and avarage dialogue. The story is basically the same as in the old movies except not as enchanting. The ONLY reason to rate this movie higher than 7/10 is the nostalgia factor. But oh well, sheep gonna sheep.

 
Also, I like my villains badass and brutal. Kylo Ren? What a complete and utter pussy. Throwing tantrums with his light saber against walls, having daddy issues... wtf is this? He looked like a wimp too. And this guy succeeds Darth Vader? What the hell were they thinking.

Another thing I didn't like is that Luke, Leia, and Solo all failed completely in whatever they were doing after episode VI. I guess that was necessary to set up the plot for Ep VII - IX, but this is actually very out of character for all of them. Just doesn't feel natural.
Totally agree with everything, the massive acclaim it is getting is absurd for a movie with barely an original idea. Like a massive brainwashing is going on. I feel like with time this movie will be properly rated as average once people get over the nostalgia.

And all the villains were exceptionally lame and non-threatening for me. A massive disappointment. The Kylo Ren actor just doesn't have the right look to be the big villain of the trilogy in my opinion.
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The fact that IMDB rates this movie better than Empire Strikes back is simply tragic. This movie has nothing, simply nothing over Empire Strikes back.

 
I was disappointed that we are again at the time where people wonder if the Jedi exist or a myth, seriously couldn't they at least changed that from the original trilogy

One would think after the events of Return of the Jedi, there would be more Jedi but no, this shit had to happen.I enjoy Jedi battles which would have been possible with more Jedi. But I didn't enjoy this one because they were so inexperienced with it, I couldn't take it seriously. I don't understand how they expect us to be satisfied with a reboot.

And for Kylo Ren, he sucks. He is nothing compared to Darth Vader, yes I know it's hard to be as good as Darth Vader but still that villain was getting owned by someone who never held a lightsaber until now

He didn't seem intimidating. The only thing I'm looking forward to the new movie is to know more about Rey's story and Snoke.

The only Tragic scene was when Han Solo died, but that was pretty predictable tbh
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I shudder to think how people would have rated this move if it was ACTUALLY great.

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It would be best movie of all time, no other movie comes close.

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Borderline hated it, very unoriginal, more remake of a New Hope than original film. Wish they had showed real ambition in going for something unique, instead played it super-safe which is great for Disney but as a viewer I didn't appreciate it at all. As a huge fan I wanted something new and they didn't even try for that.
By 2002 we knew that Lucas forgot directing, he should have stayed away then from it.

By 2015 we know that Kasdan probably forgot how to write a really proper and interesting SW script.
I had really liked when he invented "No, I AM your father" back in 1979 (when I was only 4 btw), but this storyline is a disgrace.

I feel that they wanted to create a new base to bring the old feeling back even for the newer fans... but it terribly sucks.
Even the characters, only Rey and Finn are interesting a bit.

And I am not a SW geek, only a true fan of the OT. Of older ideas, and even of newer technique if it is not pure CGI... I am really disappointed, but I knew it deep inside from the beginning when they had taken it over from Lucasfilm: Disney will screw it up. They did big time.

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