Originally Posted by andylover_16
its just my opinion...in my statement i said myself personally...that means what i think....i understand that you are sticking up for your opinion on someone/something and that is fine because i do it all the time...and LUCIDD...in saying "unappreciative to their fans"...50cent was late to several of his concerts when he went on tour in the states&europe...and it wasnt a bit late it was hours late...and he didnt even apologize..when he was interviewed on this subject his respone was "oh yeah, well no comment"...i remember going to a spice girls concert when i was about 9or 10 and i was in love with them...i knew all their songs and i thought they were so great..they ended up showing up about 3or 4hours late...and the crowd was so upset...this made me question how much they cared about their fans...and when it happens at more than one concert...you have the right to question how much the artist/band does take it to heart...imo
Yeah...or there's a possibility that they're human and make mistakes now and then. That doesn't mean that they appreciate their fans any less...that's what gets to me. You assume to know what goes through the heads of the artists. I don't blame him for saying no comment. It doesn't matter what you say in those situations cuz the media will spin it into something horrible anyway. You don't know what caused those incidents and you probably never will so don't act like you do. Some of the bands that you've said that you like, I've seen on stage telling their fans off or worse...walking off stage before the end of a show like petulant little children because the audience wasn't "loud enough" or some other ridiculous reason. That's not me assuming, that's really the reasons they've stated. You have the right to wonder. You don't have the right to assume.
...and yes LUCIDD i dont feel that i need to respect an artist who give the media in ex. young children..exposure to girls dancing naked, or half naked, promoting violence, sex, drugs, and some things that dont even make any sense...now a days you hear small children all the time..going around and singing some rap song with vulgar words and innapropriate lyrics...and i know that rap isnt the only genre of music that exposes such things...but it is the subject we are on...what is the hidden meaning behind alot of rap stars lyrics?...and i have heard many rap artists and i listen to the lyrics..i even look them up..i dont stick to one genre...every day im searching every single genre of music to find good artists/bands...and i can honestly say i havent found very many rap/hip-hop artists i like...thats just me i guess
First off...is it the nudity you don't like or the portrayal of women as sex objects? Learn to differentiate. There's nothing wrong with the nude female form whatsoever. As for the objectification of women in the media, you're quite right when you say that rap isn't the only place that you find it. For every pain in the ass like Nelly that makes a video like "Hot In Herre" you have someone like Pac making "Dear Mama." As with any genre there are people that promote that negative image of women and people that don't and as with any genre the ones that have that empty message don't garner respect from true fans of the music.
Promoting violence. Some losers do that but frankly they piss me off. Maybe some of the lyrics seem like they promote that shit to you but the fact is that most aren't promoting it. They aren't saying "get a gun and go shoot people cuz it's the right thing to do." Most of the artists that talk about violence in song are simply telling their life story. In the words of Eminem "You have to live it to feel it, if you didn't you wouldn't get it." I strongly suspect that quote applies to you. You haven't lived it so you don't understand how a song about driveby shootings could be anything but a promotion of the action. They're storytelling songs. Some artists write about love because it's what they know and it's the thing that gives them the most passion and inspiration to write. Rap on the other hand is almost exclusively an inner city phenomenon so the thing that empassions the artist the most from their lives are the memories of violence from their youth. I don't write a lot of love songs. Why? Frankly I'm more driven to exorcise my demons first. I'm in love right now and it's amazing and I have written about it a couple times but I'm more driven to write about my friends that have died or the bodies I've seen or what it's like to think that I'm about to die or be so angry that I want to hurt the person I'm angry with. I'm not promoting the shit at all because no one that's lived it could ever promote it. I'm simply getting my own free therapy in the form of song. For someone like me, hearing those songs where other artists talk about that life too is therapudic because it helps me to know that I'm not alone in living the way I do and it gives me hope to see them go from that to where they are now. That's what the real artists of the genre do. They inspire. Hopefully someone out there who's listening to Eminem or Tupac who hasn't
lived it will know for just a few minutes what it's like to feel that pain and the ones who are
living it will be able to hold on another day.
As for promoting sex....welcome to 2003. People have sex. For someone over the age of 18 who is capable of making an informed decision about that, there's nothing wrong with it and you do have to be of age to buy most of the albums. There's a parental advisory sticker for a reason. The artists do their part by including that and from there on it's up to the record stores and the parents to enforce it. If a child is raised properly then a CD isn't gonna corrupt their morals by the time they're old enough to hear it (if stores and parents DO THEIR JOBS then that should be around 14-16 but I'd lean closer to 16.) I hate this fear of sex in our society. It's not this big bad dirty thing. If you're with the right person at the right time for you then it can be the most beautiful thing in the world. We're raising our children to hate the most natural thing for a human being to do. Can you think of any other activity that you participate in that you don't have to be taught?? Does that not tell you something that it's about the only thing that comes 100% naturally to us to know how to do. The key is to raise our children in such a way that they don't fall into it too early. That has nothing to do with music. Sex is not wrong.
As for promoting drugs it's very much the same thing as promoting violence. Most artists don't set out to make the world into crack addicts. They just tell their life story and then someone like you comes along and percieves it as promotion. Occasionally you'll have a joke song about it too but those songs hardly make it sound cool. The lyrics are funny but they're not glamorous. Look past the fuuny exterior and you have a song about the consequences.
As for the little children singing the shit...like I said. Parental responsibility. It's not the fault of the artist if parents are too lazy to raise their children. If parents gave a shit enough to look into and confiscate CD's that were too old for their kids rather than buying them for Christmas then it wouldn't be such a problem.
And hidden meaning?? Damn, where to I start. Wait...I already did. The meaning is to tell a story that they lived through in order to get rid of the demons that haunt a person who grows up like that. Believe me, once you've seen what a dead human being really looks like and smells like it's not something that you soon forget. Also, to help inspire the people that are still living in such conditions to a better life. Of course there are plenty of songs with a moral to the story like "Drips." Its a joke song and talks about sex very graphically but the guy in the song winds up dying from AIDS cuz he was unprotected. "Keep Ya Head Up" is very much a female empowerment song...by a dude. "Where Is The Love" is about the condition of the world these days. The messages are there if you know how and WHERE to listen. Oh...and stop listening to top 40 rappers. Most of them don't mean shit. If you wanna find the true spirit of hip hop you'll have to go a little more underground than that. I leave you with a verse from a song.
Mothers crying foul over artistic indiscression
Congressional hearings held over a form of expression
Wanting a muzzle slapped on any artists lacking pretention
if what we're saying is that offensive it's cuz you'd rather not pay attention
You'd rather not see the harsh realities of life
You'd rather pretend that we're in a world free of all strife
It's time you woke up and faced the facts of life
People aren't sunshine and flowers, sunny and bright
We starve, hurt, bleed and in violence die
While people like you live content in a hurricane of lies
You're getting botox treatments while in squallor we lie
Well it's damn time you learned to walk a mile
Put you in my shoes to feel the rain flow through the holes in the sides
I know what's vulgar to you
Now lemme tell you what's vulgar to me
It's fucking vulgar to see you wasting money I coulda spent to eat
It's vulgar to get called names for recognizing reality
you want your point seen and yet you don't see me
If this verse offended you, maybe it was time it was seen