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Scottish referendum

Surprised there is no topic about this. Would be interested to hear from (apparently) many Scottish MTF members on the atmosphere and how they feel about it. Seems that the latest poll has caused the Westminster establishment to panic.
If yes, what follows? If no, what follows then, and what about the West Lothian question?
Heard that the Yes campaign is much much better than the unionist.
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Re: Scottish referendum

Murray hasn't said how he will vote but I'm certain he is against it. He might be a patriotic Scot but he knows he will make more money being British and competing for Britain.

The Yes campaign certainly has most of the momentum at the moment which has made people on both sides of the border wake up and realise the Union could actually be under threat. The biggest problem is that Yes voters are the ones who will be most motivated to get up and vote. There is a danger that No voters might be apathetic and not bother to vote on the assumption it's not necessary. That's why there have been so many scare stories over the weekend about how well the Yes (Independence) campaign is doing. It's purpose was to mobilise all the no voters.

I read some interesting articles recently about how Scotland is much more in favour of Europe than England and how the apparent rise of UKIP in the south of England could drive swing voters in Scotland towards independence. I can sympathise with that view because even though I like being British and will be voting against Independence, if the unthinkable does happen and we separate, at least I won't have to put up with UKIP, Farage and the closet racists in the south.

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Re: Scottish referendum

It will be extremely tight.

Herr Salmond and his beautiful sidekick have managed to gain the support of every halfwit in the country.

For the sake of us all, I just hope the 'Freeeeeeeeeedum Brigade' don't get their way.

Incidentally, if the vote is close as expected, then whatever side loses will go nuts. The nationalists are an aggressive shower anyway and they will certainly ramp it up a notch if they lose narrowly.

I will be voting NO.
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Hope Mugland vote yes so they can finally secede and stop blaming England for all their problems .

It'll become a failed state within a matter of years hasn't even got a plan for which currency to use .

Good riddance.
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Scots deserve an independent country of their own. So hope for Yes, as an outsider.
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Murray hasn't said how he will vote but I'm certain he is against it. He might be a patriotic Scot but he knows he will make more money being British and competing for Britain.
You make it sound like he is obsess with money and dosen't care about anything else.

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I read some interesting articles recently about how Scotland is much more in favour of Europe than England and how the apparent rise of UKIP in the south of England could drive swing voters in Scotland towards independence. I can sympathise with that view because even though I like being British and will be voting against Independence, if the unthinkable does happen and we separate, at least I won't have to put up with UKIP, Farage and the closet racists in the south.
Why are you against IScotland?

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Why are you against IScotland?
I don't understand your question. What is "IScotland"? If you mean an independent Scotland, I'm against it because I think Scotland and the other three parts of the United Kingdom work better together. I think Scotland will suffer if we break away but I also think the rest of the UK will do worse without us. It is a union that has been incredibly successful for hundreds of years and I see no reason to end it.

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Lol, UK is already on the brink of economic ruin and they allow Scotland to do this? Funny how the once most powerful nation in the world has transformed into a small island that's famous for tea with crumpets and indian food all thanks to liberal policies
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Re: Scottish referendum

When is the vote? A friend of mine who is currently living in England has likened it to the Quebec referendum in 1995. It was definitely a tense time even if I was a little apathetic to it being a teenager at the time.

Separatism is still around in Quebec but not like it was in the mid-90s. People stay away from it. There is a separatist party still in Quebec and in the provincial election this year one the members mentioned pushing for another referendum, and distance was quickly put between the leader and the party member who suggested the vote.
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The no campaign is poor. It's not as though they're executing their strategy badly, but their strategy is wrong, it is patronising and that drives swing voters away by trying to explain how Scotland needs the union.

They don't need England. They may be better off with England, but they don't need the union. The best campaign for the no vote would have been a heavier focus on why the union needs Scotland.

I agree with acacacacademy.
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Re: Scottish referendum

Hm, a gamut of opinions.
Interesting to see that a number of Scots who are fairly well-known abroad is pro-independence (Welsh, Boyle, etc.).
This is how Welsh justifies his position...
http://bellacaledonia.org.uk/2013/01...british-unity/

I kinda still expect the naysayers will win, but the Westminster elite will shower Scotland with so many perks, while not really answering the West Lothian question, that they might really fuel the blowback in the South.
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Scots deserve an independent country of their own. So hope for Yes, as an outsider.
Kinda patronizing of you, don't you think?
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The no campaign is poor. It's not as though they're executing their strategy badly, but their strategy is wrong, it is patronising and that drives swing voters away by trying to explain how Scotland needs the union.

They don't need England. They may be better off with England, but they don't need the union. The best campaign for the no vote would have been a heavier focus on why the union needs Scotland.
A 'No campaign' can never be sexy though. I agree they could do better but the Nats have made huge gains partly due to the fact they are so active and actually have something to sell. They are everywhere.

The scary thing is, we have still not been given enough information on the key issues yet the yes vote is on the rise. It's just ridiculous.

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Hope Mugland vote yes so they can finally secede and stop blaming England for all their problems .
They'll keep blaming England even after independence.

Really hope Scotland votes yes. Can't stand the possibility of Ed Miliband as PM.
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They'll keep blaming England even after independence.

Really hope Scotland votes yes. Can't stand the possibility of Ed Miliband as PM.
I'm a Tory voter in Scotland. I'm permanently fucked.
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