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Brazilian citizen shot to death "by mistake"

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Prime Minister Tony Blair has expressed his sorrow over the death of Brazilian Jean Charles de Menezes, who was mistaken for a suicide bomber at Stockwell station on London's Underground and shot five times in the head by plain clothes' police.

Mr Blair told a Downing Street news conference: "We are desperately sorry for the death of an innocent person and I understand entirely the feelings of the young man's family.

"But we also have to understand the police are doing their job in very very difficult circumstances and I think it is important that we give them every support and that we understand that had the circumstances been different and for example, this had turned out to be a terrorist and they had failed to take that action, they would have been criticised the other way.

"At the same time therefore, in expressing our sorrow and deep sympathy for the death that has happened, it is important that we allow the police and support them in doing the job they have to do in order to protect people in this country."

On Monday, Mr de Menezes cousin Alex Pereira told BBC Breakfast that the police "have to pay" for the mistake.

Asked if the family was taking legal action, he said: "They (the police) have to pay for that in many ways, because if they do not, they are going to kill many people, they are going to kill thousands of people. They just kill the first person they see, that's what they did."

The 28-year-old added: "They killed my cousin, they could kill anyone."

A police chief has defended the "shoot to kill" policy as a last resort.

Chris Fox, president of the Association of Chief Police Officers, said: "Shoot to kill is very good headline but, in fact, what we have to do is we have a series of tactics which range from disruption to the very, very final moment when you have to shoot and the aim is to prevent the criminal or suspect causing harm to other people."

He told BBC Breakfast that the range of tactics was in response to the new kind of threat posed by suicide bombers.

How ridiculously tragic is this?!? Absurd!
My condolences to Brasil and the victim's family.



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This is terrible! My condolences to the victim's family and friends.

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First of all, my sincere Consolations to the Brazilians..
second, i want ot say that terror is an ugly war against humanity, an ugly war against the other who tries to live his life safely...
the worst thing about terror is that by time, it tries to turn ppl against each other...cuz simply , when terror reveals, u can't identify ur enemy,u don't know his face or looks..so u get afraid and aggressive towards the other..and there ..terror makes us terrorists ourselves...the worst way to face terror ,is becoming a terrorist ur self, using violence may be the rapid wayfor prevention ..it's needed sometimes but using it randomlyis very dangerous ..and in my humble opinion ,violence is surely not the only true answer for preventing terror

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You also have to think of the fact that a shot in one of his legs could still have allowed him to detonate the bomb if he was a terrorist. I don`t want to defend Scotland Yard but after all what has happened there lately. Plus, why did this guy run away if he had nothing to hide? He could have surrendered and then the police could have checked his identity and then everything would have been fine.

In a way I am happy that Scotland Yard is that strict in fighting against terrorism. We all don`t want to be arround when a bomb detonates, so we also have to understand the reasons of the British police.

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Yes - of course this is tragic - and my sincere condolences to the Brazilian people and, of course, to this guy's family. But just a few points from a British point of view.

First - British Police are not generally armed - I think we're the only country in the world where this is still the case - our only armed forces are a very small, special "eilte" force dealing with terrorists only. Our Police are the least "trigger happy" in the world - probably because they don't really have triggers to pull!

Second - the guy in question came out of a house that was under surveillance - the address of that property was found in the pocket of one of the suicide bombers of July 7th and is known to be a "safe house" for terrorists. Of course, it could be that his visit there was wholly innocent (maybe carrying out his work as an electrician), but the Police did not know that.

Second - the Police told the Brazilian guy to stop 3 times and he did not - he ran away from them and went into a crowded tube station - as you know 6 tube stations have been tagreted by suicide bombers in the past 2 weeks. Ironically, they say the reason he did not stop when asked, was because the Police in Brazil are so corrupt that he had been bought up with a terror of Police Forces that we British do not have and can rarely understand.

Thirdly - the guy was wearing a thick jacket when the temperature was almost 30 degrees C in London that day - his jacket was identical in style to those worn by all the suicide bombers in London.

In retrospect, maybe the Police could have handled things differently, - but they say that if they had shot him in any other part of the body he coud still have enabled any explosive device he may have been carrying - thus killing more than a hundred people in the tube train carriage and on the station at the time.

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You also have to think of the fact that a shot in one of his legs could still have allowed him to detonate the bomb if he was a terrorist. I don`t want to defend Scotland Yard but after all what has happened there lately. Plus, why did this guy run away if he had nothing to hide? He could have surrendered and then the police could have checked his identity and then everything would have been fine.

In a way I am happy that Scotland Yard is that strict in fighting against terrorism. We all don`t want to be arround when a bomb detonates, so we also have to understand the reasons of the British police.
NO way it is a good thing what has happened. And I'm not talking about this ridiculous death.
As nermo just said, terror and violence as it result does not conduct us to any way else than pain..
About why he ran away, obviously the conclusion about him having things to hide proved to be false, from now on, if they'd continue killing innocent people, running away should not be taken as proof of suspicion.



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He jumped over the turnstiles, ran away from the police and ran into a crowded subway car.
It may be a tragedy, but the police did exactly what they had to do in today's London.

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He jumped over the turnstiles, ran away from the police and ran into a crowded subway car.
It may be a tragedy, but the police did exactly what they had to do in today's London.
Agree with u and Rosie. Of course, it hurts, but if he had been a terrorist, we wouldn't talk about one life He ignored the police. They weren't haunting anyone who appeared in front of them

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I hardly disagree, coz in the first place they jumped into wrong conclusions. I know safety nowadays, especially in London and last terrorist targets, is the main issue and concern, but I think that these actions, supported by a terrified goverment will cause much more damage than it is supposed to prevent.
Remember that these kind of misjudgements were and are still usual in Afganistan and Irak, killing thousands of innocent people who were presumed to be criminals.



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I don't think any judgements should be made against the Police at this time. They had to make a split second decision and at that precise moment in time they truly believed he could have been a danger. Be grateful that you didn't have to make the decision!

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Apparently, his visa had run out to keep him in the U.K. Obviously, it is tragic he was shot, but it is asking for it, running from police at times like this. And the family intend to sue

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