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Obama is the BEST president born in the WORST possible time in American history. Too bad because he's a true populist. When his contemporaries were making business connections in University, and trying to make it to the elite 1%, Obama was helping the poor in the inner cities, and dealing with issues which affect them, turning down lucrative opportunities despite his brilliance and talent.
Why on earth did you decide it was the worst possible time in US history? What age are you?

Apart from that, yes, while his contemporaries were trying to make it to the elite 1%, Obama gave all that up for the much lesser prestige career of POTUS. How noble.

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oliver stone is just controlled opposition but he still has some good points. the world is rapidly moving toward an orwellian state, not just the u.s.
Stone on RT of all places, whining about Orwellian states. LOL! Putin's useful idiot.

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no fiscal cliff agreement in sight.

i can hardly understand how there can be so many middle class Americans who vote for the republican party. if you aren't wealthy you must really hate yourself to vote republican.

it's like a friend of mine said: "nothing is more tragic than a poor conservative".
I would not call the American middle class poor by any standard that I know of. What standard do you use?

Why vote for the left when history shows that is a sure way to guarantee a lower living standard?

But to paraphrase your friend, I guess nothing is more comic than a rich socialist.

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I would not call the American middle class poor by any standard that I know of. What standard do you use?
don't be so literal. the message is clear.

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Why vote for the left when history shows that is a sure way to guarantee a lower living standard?
yes, take a look at scandinavia for instance. a real shithole what several centre-left gvts have left there.

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Stone on RT of all places, whining about Orwellian states. LOL! Putin's useful idiot.
yeah, the irony wasn’t lost on me either. a russian news outlet of all sources condemning america for becoming an orwellian state. it’s a total charade. but this is the illuminati, controlling both sides of the equation conspiring to destroy all.
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Why on earth did you decide it was the worst possible time in US history? What age are you?

Apart from that, yes, while his contemporaries were trying to make it to the elite 1%, Obama gave all that up for the much lesser prestige career of POTUS. How noble.
What the hell difference does my age make? Did I have to be around the dinosaurs to know about a T-rex? Learn to read history books son or watch history channel.

I already explained why it's the worst time to have a president like Obama. Read it again.

He became prez so he could affect change. You put a nice twist on my argument and ignored what I said.

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What the hell difference does my age make? Did I have to be around the dinosaurs to know about a T-rex? Learn to read history books son or watch history channel.

I already explained why it's the worst time to have a president like Obama. Read it again.

He became prez so he could affect change. You put a nice twist on my argument and ignored what I said.
If you call me son, that is ample reason to inquire about your age.

I still have no idea why you think this is the worst possible time in American history. Which history book says it is?

"He became prez so he could affect (sic) change". What an original idea..

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There is non doubt that this is the worse state America has been in since the Great Depression in my opinion (although the oil shocks of the 70s coupled with Vietnam was not ideal) but to be an American?'

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There is non doubt that this is the worse state America has been in since the Great Depression in my opinion (although the oil shocks of the 70s coupled with Vietnam was not ideal) but to be an American?'

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What the hell difference does my age make? Did I have to be around the dinosaurs to know about a T-rex? Learn to read history books son or watch history channel.

I already explained why it's the worst time to have a president like Obama. Read it again.

He became prez so he could affect change. You put a nice twist on my argument and ignored what I said.
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tr.v. af·fect·ed, af·fect·ing, af·fects
1. To put on a false show of; simulate

Maybe that verb is better used than it appears after all.
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1. To put on a false show of; simulate

Maybe that verb is better used than it appears after all.
Almost, but not quite You would need to say he became prez to effect an aura of change, or something similar.

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yes, take a look at scandinavia for instance. a real shithole what several centre-left gvts have left there.
I look at Scandinavian countries as firmly entrenched in the western capitalist democratic system. That explains their success.

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Almost, but not quite You would need to say he became prez to affect the aura of change, or something similar.
I'm not a native English speaker, but couldn't one "affect change" as in "simulate change"?
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I'm not a native English speaker, but couldn't one "affect change" as in "simulate change"?
I don't think so. It doesn't make sense. You could affect a change in accent, or a change in style, but you can't just affect change. You might say ''affect a change'' if the thing changed has been previously identified. Such as, ''he spoke with a common accent, but when he went to university he affected a change.

I think we have exhaused the possibilities here. In any case, Obama has neither affected nor effected changes.

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af·fect (-fkt)
tr.v. af·fect·ed, af·fect·ing, af·fects
1. To put on a false show of; simulate

Maybe that verb is better used than it appears after all.
Sorry I don't understand. There are multiple meanings of the word. Here's from the correct dictionary:

Verb

Have an effect on; make a difference to: "the dampness began to affect my health".
Pretend to have or feel (something): "as usual I affected a supreme unconcern".

from another:

1.to act on; produce an effect or change in: Cold weather affected the crops.
2. to impress the mind or move the feelings of: The music affected him deeply.
3. (of pain, disease, etc.) to attack or lay hold of.


English is a f$*#&D up language, I cannot dispute that. Consider the word "order."

1) I will order in the restaurant
2) I'm giving an order to my wife
3) Line up in order

Feel bad for ESL learners.

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