but it does happen, not always or like my first degree but it does.
i guess ppl are older and work while they study so they dont have time for b/s and stuff.
only one course?
Yeah doing my first (and only) Masters.
There's an Israeli guy in my course. He's really smart. Actually, most people in my course are really smart.
I assume an even bigger reason is that post-grad students are even more motivated to their studies. Some of the students who don't have a gruduate may study only because they feel they have to study, e.g. to get a job. (Sounds too familiar to me.) But I assume post-grad students study more because they want to, not that much because they'd feel they have to.
Exactly. My parents are paying my school fees and I'm using ALL my savings to finance my own living costs, so I'd better do my Masters properly to justify the cost.
This is exactly my situation.
i study b/c i wanna study, i already have a job (who i hate (i said i want use that word but i must, sorry)) and im studing for my own, cuz i enjoy it and want to do PhD. i dont need to for any other reason thats why it bugs me when ppl dont let me listen.
go outside talk to ur friends and enter to classes u want just dont interrupt
Same with me - I quit my job to come here (London) for my Masters. I hated my first job and tolerated my second, and I mean, what's the point of staying in a job that you hate if you think you can find something better, right?
What are you study, Punky?
Yeah, well, this attitude is one of the main problems in France, too. Students pay very little, and therefore, they have no respect for education (they also have crappy conditions to study in, to be honest, but if you want to study, you can - I did).
Sometimes that makes me really angry, and I just feel like lecturing them, and saying to them: "do you realize that higher education is a f***ing privilege? Are you not ashamed that French taxpayers are paying for your education, while you just sit there and do nothing, or just disrupt the class?"
And also, I keep thinking that one day, people will realize that students don't care because they don't pay, and when they decide to change the system and make them pay thousands of euros for their education, then they will start crying and getting angry, saying that it's a scandal and education is a right and so on.
I'm from Singapore where there is absolutely no welfare or whatever, so I find it a bit ridiculous that university education is free. We have free education but only up to primary 6 (like when you're 12), but the fees from high school to pre-university aren't that expensive. It's only uni that's more expensive but it's heavily subsidised by the government so it's affordable on average. Most people care; out of all my friends there was only one girl that did really badly but she had some issues at that time so she was the exception.
More or less as they do with tests: they don't give a shit during the whole semester, they don't study, but then when they fail they start crying or getting mad at you ("the test is too difficult it's a scandal the teacher's a bitch" and so on), and suddenly it looks as if their whole world is about to crumble. And in a way you feel sorry for them, because they're young and don't know better, but sometimes you're just fed up and you feel like saying: "Well, you see that ridiculous overreaction of yours right now? You should have put that energy into sudying about 6 weeks ago. Now it's too late. Sorry."
What do they expect to happen if they don't study?
Being a teacher is pretty crappy these days.
Yes, for one, they're more mature, and also (at least in France), none of the "tourists" reach post-grad level. Students who don't give a damn usually don't make it through beyond the 3rd year.
Anyway, even in first year, you have plenty of really great students, but to disrupt a class it only takes a few idiots or even a few selfish good students (the kind who listen to the teacher and contribute when they feel like it, and chat with their friends the rest of the time).
What do people do if they don't graduate though? In Asia, you'd be severely disadvantaged in job hunting without a university degree. Is it the same in France?
By the way, what do you teach?
I bet most active MTF posters do a fair share of their posting from their uni clasroom (or even high school)
I read MTF on my phone in Jurisprudence class this week because I had no fucking clue what was going on.
I had a laptop in my first two years of undergrad law school, then stopped bringing it in my final two years because I was finally interested in my classes. But yeah, me and my friends talked to each other on MSN in lectures. Was great fun.