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btw when is that church finished?

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As for Mugray, what can be said? A disgusting human being, and awful player, and a choking pushing mug. He looks like a kemo patient, bald spots, hairless legs, pasty blotchy skin, busted teeth, and an ugly, snarling face. Typical antics all came out in this match: faking injuries, grimacing and cursing, trying to peg Fed, trying to start drama, undeserved final based on an exhausted old man and a joke draw.

I'm no Fakervic fan but he needs to save tennis, sadly tree trunk legs will be fresh. Interesting he's never questioned....
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As for Mugray, what can be said? A disgusting human being, and awful player, and a choking pushing mug. He looks like a kemo patient, bald spots, hairless legs, pasty blotchy skin, busted teeth, and an ugly, snarling face. Typical antics all came out in this match: faking injuries, grimacing and cursing, trying to peg Fed, trying to start drama, undeserved final based on an exhausted old man and a joke draw.

I'm no Fakervic fan but he needs to save tennis, sadly tree trunk legs will be fresh. Interesting he's never questioned....
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Tim im not sure u will find someone who knows

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I don't really have an interest in an independent Catalonia. I was independentist when I was 15, 16, that's the usual age when you feel most reivindicative. But since then I have changed my views, I have grown up. Are you asking me if I'd like Catalonia to be another Andorra? Then no. I think it benefits us to be a part of Spain and we share the language, culture and history with them. Of course there are many rifts amongst us, and there is also a very irrational and ignorant hatred from some Spaniards towards Catalans which is sad and causes a lot of friction. That's why most Catalans react wanting the independence. Also the financial autonomy has always been a significative point of debate as many Catalans feel they are robbed. Would we be better off separated? I'm not sure. I don't believe in flags, nations or frontiers anyway.
Indeed.

If you want to make the most radical independentist out of a moderate Catalan, place him in the main square of a random Castilian town and drop the word "Catalonia".

Catalonia might share the language with the rest of Spain, but that language is not the original language of Catalonia, but an imposed one. Which brings us to history and culture... shared in part, yes, but Catalonia has many particularities which do warrant a sense of self-assertion.

I say do like in Quebec or Scotland and let Catalans decide in a referendum.
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Indeed.

If you want to make the most radical independentist out of a moderate Catalan, place him in the main square of a random Castilian town and drop the word "Catalonia".

Catalonia might share the language with the rest of Spain, but that language is not the original language of Catalonia, but an imposed one. Which brings us to history and culture... shared in part, yes, but Catalonia has many particularities which do warrant a sense of self-assertion.

I say do like in Quebec or Scotland and let Catalans decide in a referendum.
I agree. And most definitely should be done in a democratic and completely pacifist way. Catalan's nationalism has been traditionally 100% pacifist as opposed to basques.



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