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our boys will storm that office and cause a pussy riot!
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Have you even read the letter? All it does is list the legal options available to Britain. If revoking the diplomatic status of the building is a legal option, it is not a threat to include that in the list.
Why did the UK send these legal options to the embassy when I think quite clearly the embassy knows the legal options of the UK. It sure doesn't seem like a friendly reminder to me.
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What is your point? Don't you think degree of corruption is what is relevant?
My point wasn't on how the degree of corruption is relevant but rather this image that a few have that their country is an utopia and that it is perfect.
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On that note, Sweden is 4th least corrupt country, UK is 16th and Ecuador a dismal 120th.
Corruption relative to what?

If it said that Ecuador was 1st in South America in terms of least corrupt it wouldn't be saying much would it?

Also, the corruption perceptions index states:

Perceptions Index (CPI) annually ranking countries "by their perceived levels of corruption, as determined by expert assessments and opinion surveys.''

Doesn't really show the whole picture when it is determined by expert assessments and opinion surveys.
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What is your point? Don't you think degree of corruption is what is relevant? On that note, Sweden is 4th least corrupt country, UK is 16th and Ecuador a dismal 120th.

If you had even bothered to consult a corruption index you would see that the least corrupt countries are clearly defined as Western countries. What is amazing is your degree of delusion.
Singapore is #5 and we're not a Western country.

On that note, if we had Assange in custody, I'm pretty certain that the government wouldn't hesitate to hand him over to the US.

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Singapore is #5 and we're not a Western country.

On that note, if we had Assange in custody, I'm pretty certain that the government wouldn't hesitate to hand him over to the US.
"Western'' is not a geographical term. I consider Singapore very Western, maybe too Western, If Singapore had Assange he would probably never leave Singapore.

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Why did the UK send these legal options to the embassy when I think quite clearly the embassy knows the legal options of the UK. It sure doesn't seem like a friendly reminder to me.

My point wasn't on how the degree of corruption is relevant but rather this image that a few have that their country is an utopia and that it is perfect.

Corruption relative to what?

If it said that Ecuador was 1st in South America in terms of least corrupt it wouldn't be saying much would it?
Relative to zero corruption, of course.

But it didn't say that. If it did it would be a lie.

I don't think that many people have the image that their country is utopia and perfect. They have the perfectly reasonable image that compared to places like Ecuador they are much closer to utopia and perfection.

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We are not western. that's almost insulting.

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How is a geographical location insulting?
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As for the thread title, it's ridiculous. Ecuador could host Stalin, Mao, Hitler, Pol Pot and Mugabe in their embassy and Britain wouldn't dare "storm" it.
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I would say Singapore is 'western' in everything but its geographical location.
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Singapore hasn't been poisoned by liberal political correctness and spineless policies that are leading 'western' countries into ruin and yet it enjoys high standard of living at the same time.
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How is a geographical location insulting?
That wasn't what buddy holly had in mind.

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Singapore hasn't been poisoned by liberal political correctness and spineless policies that are leading 'western' countries into ruin and yet it enjoys high standard of living at the same time.
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That wasn't what buddy holly had in mind.
In terms of capitalism, Singapore is more western than the west. Economic freedom rating is 2nd only to Hong Kong. Also notice all the Chinese billionaires parking their assets on your little island. It's a capitalist paradise.

Although with the end of the cold war this east-west political divide is pretty much obsolete.
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In terms of capitalism, Singapore is more western than the west. Economic freedom rating is 2nd only to Hong Kong. Also notice all the Chinese billionaires parking their assets on your little island. It's a capitalist paradise.

Although with the end of the cold war this east-west political divide is pretty much obsolete.
I'm not sure if that was what he meant as well. But what I originally meant was that it was almost insulting because the implication (unintended I'm sure) is that we don't have our own identity as an Asian country (granted, that's not entirely inaccurate). It's one thing to adopt good practices from the West; it's another to turn ourselves into some pseudo-England or whatever and almost completely lose all sense of who we are and our respective cultural identity, and what it means to bring all of it together on an island called Singapore. We are not a Western society and we will never be, and the perception that Singapore is "Western" is sadly a reflection of the state of affairs in Singapore. This has nothing to do with economics and I agree with you on that, but more an issue of what the Singaporean identity is...which, obviously, isn't relevant to this thread, so I'll stop talking about it.

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I'm not sure if that was what he meant as well. But what I originally meant was that it was almost insulting because the implication (unintended I'm sure) is that we don't have our own identity as an Asian country (granted, that's not entirely inaccurate). It's one thing to adopt good practices from the West; it's another to turn ourselves into some pseudo-England or whatever and almost completely lose all sense of who we are and our respective cultural identity, and what it means to bring all of it together on an island called Singapore. We are not a Western society and we will never be, and the perception that Singapore is "Western" is sadly a reflection of the state of affairs in Singapore. This has nothing to do with economics and I agree with you on that, but more an issue of what the Singaporean identity is...which, obviously, isn't relevant to this thread, so I'll stop talking about it.
I was speaking only in terms of economics, democracy etc. and not even thinking of religion, race or anything cultural. After all, Assange and his mother are Australian, but I still include Australia as Western.

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