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Question Atheists/Agnostics lack of morality?

Well, in the GM forum I saw this:

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Nadal is an self-confessed atheist (this is not true, he is agnostic)

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That explains his lack of morality!
Do you agree with him/her/it? Do you think this is a tolerant attitude?

Related with this a recent Gallup poll in the USA reveals that Americans are much more likely to elect a black man or a woman president than a Mormon or an old man. More interestingly, they’d rather be governed by a homosexual than an atheist:

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                 vote for %       vote for %
Catholic               95              4
Black                  94              5
Jewish                 92              7
A woman                88             11
Hispanic               87             12
Mormon                 72             24
Married 3th time       67             30
72 years of age        57             42
A homosexual           55             43
An atheist             45             53
Very similar results in Brazil

http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/bla...n_or_atheist_/

are we the atheists the social group who more prejudice have to suffer right now?

I don't think so in Europe but America (North & South) I am not sure

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Re: Atheists/Agnostics lack of morality?

Wasn't Michelle Bachelet, the former president of Chile, a non-believer?

Atheists are indeed confronted with unjustified mistrust in many regions of the world. I'm glad to live in a place where that is not the case.
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Re: Atheists/Agnostics lack of morality?

^^ I personally don't trust in the moral values ​​of religious people.

First, their moral scheme is imposed from out (a priest / rabbi, book, etc...). If they sometimes have doubts about their faith then they lost their moral system too. And all the believers pass some period when faith fails them.

Second, their morality is selfish. They do this or that because they will have a reward or a punishment, not for a personal conviction.

Too bad.

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MJAU is a complete fucking troll. Ignore the clown.
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I just saw that disgustingly prejudiced post by that self righteous and arrogant troll, mjau. Infuriating and typical holier than thou attitude.
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No, not really. In fact many liberal, secular countries have a far lower homicide rate than some of the more religious countries in the world: (All homicide rates per 100,000)
Japan: 0.40
Norway: 0.60
Switzerland: 0.66
Spain: 0.69
Germany: 0.86
Italy: 0.98

There are many more secular countries with very low homicide rates compared to the rest of the world.

Literally all the countries with the lowest homicide rates are the secular ones. Even in the US, the ''bible belt'' part of the country has a higher rate of homicide than the rest.
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No, not really. In fact many liberal, secular countries have a far lower homicide rate than some of the more religious countries in the world: (All homicide rates per 100,000)
Japan: 0.40
Norway: 0.60
Switzerland: 0.66
Spain: 0.69
Germany: 0.86
Italy: 0.98

Literally all the countries with the lowest homicide rates are the secular ones. Even in the US, the ''bible belt'' part of the country has a higher rate of homicide than the rest.
Which State of USA Consumes The Most Online Porn?



And is the more conservative religious American State. I am not criticizing porn, I'm a critical of religious hypocrisy. Like these huge amount of pedophile priests

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Statistically, the reality is social conservatism (not necessarily religion but conservatism) is connected to higher murder rates, lower education rates, higher porn-viewership, more hate crimes, more STDs, higher rates of divorce.............do I need to continue? You get the picture.
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Haha gotta love that chart.
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Wasn't Michelle Bachelet, the former president of Chile, a non-believer?
yes, same as Ricardo Lagos. yet, both were elected presidents in a predominatly Christian nation.

i don't think atheists face nearly as much discrimination as the homosexuals, the poor or the indigenous/black people in south america. i'd go as far to suggest it is primarely the same virtually everywhere.

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Related with this a recent Gallup poll in the USA reveals that Americans are much more likely to elect a black man or a woman president than a Mormon or an old man. More interestingly, they’d rather be governed by a homosexual than an atheist:
Got to love Gallup polls, they are soooo detailed. Wonder if they asked about voting for an elderly lapsed-Mormon atheist black Latino lesbian planning to enter into her fourth same-sex marriage to a Jew?

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No, not really. In fact many liberal, secular countries have a far lower homicide rate than some of the more religious countries in the world: (All homicide rates per 100,000)
Japan: 0.40
Norway: 0.60
Switzerland: 0.66
Spain: 0.69
Germany: 0.86
Italy: 0.98
Bottom line is all of those countries belong to the rich world. Of course, one could also say that most rich countries are less religious. But would that mean that being less religious is a good move for socioeconomic progress, or just that, the fatter the cat, the least likely it is to worry about religion? I mean, in the first world, being diagnosed of cancer or sent off to war seems to work wonders for bringing at least some people back to the pew.

Well, to be fair, one has to make allowances for the fact that in Utah, if you really need to find a date, you have to walk for miles.

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Well, in fact, on a more serious note, it must be said that the incidence of cases of pedophilia among Catholic priests is no larger than among Protestant pastors, Rabbis, gym monitors or dentists. I'm serious about this, the data were published on Newsweek a couple of years back. The problem with the RCC is the poor way they handled the cases, with some culprits being guilty of dozens of cases of abuse.
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Well, to be fair, one has to make allowances for the fact that in Utah, if you really need to find a date, you have to walk for miles.
Uh? About 85% of the population of Utah live in the greater Salt Lake City urban area (the so-called Wasatch Front).
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I don't need the promise of eternal happiness to be kind to others. If there's no bigger meaning, then the smallest act of kindness is the greatest thing in the world.
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Uh? About 85% of the population of Utah live in the greater Salt Lake City urban area (the so-called Wasatch Front).
Yeah wiseguy, how do you know that all the porn isn't seen by the other 15%?
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