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We include alcohol in here, is jsut as much a drug as anything else. Is just consumed as a drink like many others.

How do you feel about them?

Think they should all be legal? All illegal?

To balance the discussion, Marijuana and MDMA have never been solidly proved to do any harm to your physical health. Mental health can be a different story.

For example alcohol and tobacco harm your physical health more than Marijuana does. MDMA is hard to overdose on accidentally, and well, Marijuana is impossible to OD on.

On the other hand, Meth, Crack, Heroin do tremendous harm and are very fatal in certain quantities.

Whats the laws in your land, and whats your feelings on drugs?

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Legal: alcohol

Illegal: rest (including cigarettes)

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In my opinion all drugs should be legal, but people should be properly informing which drug in which way is harmful for the health since the primary school. Drugs should be still banned in sport and people sentenced firmly after initiating car accidents or other accidents under specific substances. If someone is addicted should cover the costs of its treatment.

If someone takes drugs at home to get visions or partying as long as he/she doesn't disturb drastically the peace of others, there's no problem ethically from my point of view, whether it's marijuana or heroin.

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Should all be legal. Would reduce crime tremendously and marijuana being illegal is ridiculous
Who has the authority to decide what another should do privately and harmlessly?

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I used to be open minded about drugs. That all changed when I shared a house friends who smoked pot every fucken day . If it was here and there I would not have minded but not everyday. These guys spent all their student loans on pot . At one time they took my rent money from my room without asking. I moved out and I have not seen or spoken to them again . Before they started taking drugs they were good people. Drugs are bad.
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All drugs should be legal.

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All drugs should be legalized, provided that there will be proper education available about the risks (yes, even using marihuana has its risks - enhanced susceptibility to various mental diseases for those who have a disposition for getting those) to young people. Open, objective information/education I mean - no 'scaring off' people, and no 'advertising' of the stuff either. Just plain facts.

The morbidity and mortality rates caused by legal drugs (alcohol, cigarettes) greatly outnumber those of illegal drugs. The only effect you get with an endless 'War on Drugs' is criminals getting richer-and-richer because of it.

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I used to be open minded about drugs. That all changed when I shared a house friends who smoked pot every fucken day . If it was here and there I would not have minded but not everyday. These guys spent all their student loans on pot . At one time they took my rent money from my room without asking. I moved out and I have not seen or spoken to them again . Before they started taking drugs they were good people. Drugs are bad.
These friends obviously had a massive (mental) addiction problem. Every day is just too much. There isn't much difference with folks emptying a bottle of whisky every day... Too much of any drug is always wrong.

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Couldn't care less, I mean if people want to fuck up their own lives then I couldn't give a shit.
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Couldn't care less, I mean if people want to fuck up their own lives then I couldn't give a shit.
Sensible, limited, recreational use of drugs doesn't have to mean one is per sé 'fucking up his/her life'. Just like one can of beer won't harm you all that much, smoking a joint once in while doesn't either.

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Should be illegal.

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The only effect you get with an endless 'War on Drugs' is criminals getting richer-and-richer because of it.
Also getting richer: lawyers, law enforcers, those running the prison industrial complex...

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These friends obviously had a massive (mental) addiction problem. Every day is just too much. There isn't much difference with folks emptying a bottle of whisky every day... Too much of any drug is always wrong.
I don't believe everything is black and white in this case. Read this:

http://www.foxnews.com/health/2012/0...n-us-alarming/

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The CDC found that more than 38 million Americans binge drink four times a month—consuming an average of eight drinks each time.

And it’s not just young adults. Although it is more common between the ages of 18-34, those 65 and older reportedly binge drink more often—five to six times a month.

The frequency of binge drinking is higher in households with an income of $75,000 or more. But the disturbing data found that the highest number of drinks consumed per occasion is by people living just above or below the poverty line, with eight to nine drinks per occasion.

Binge drinking is defined by the CDC as consuming five or more drinks for men and four or more drinks for women on a single occasion.
I know people who smoke pretty much everyday yet never get shit faced. I think people getting that drunk every week have an addiction problem, I don't think it applies to someone who smokes a tiny joint every night

How many people have wine everyday? Have a couple of beers right after coming home from work? Drinking or smoking everyday does not make people alcoholics or drug addicts. The amount is more telling.
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I think it's all very well to say that drugs should be legalised as long as people are made aware of the risks but the fact remains that people can't always be relied upon to act rationally. We're creatures of emotion, our mood fluctuating constantly and our minds seeking to offload consciousness where it begins to feel uncomfortable. Even if the education is there (which it wont be) people will still take drugs because we aren't simply objective decision makers who will always decide "no I wont do this because drugs are bad". Even if we were, legalising drugs would open the floodgates to unscrupulous companies trying to convince us that we should take drugs.

Drugs should not be legalised. We should do whatever is necessary to prevent people from taking drugs in the first place. The idea that you can artificially alter your consciousness for your own benefit is a dangerous one - because who wouldn't want to do that?

The idea that by legalising drugs we'd be taking money away from criminals is nonsensical too. If only it were that simple that we had a section of society that readily fits into the category criminals. It's this petty lust for vengeance that gets us nowhere - after we're done punishing these people what are they going to do? Get an education and a job and join the society that's been intent on ostracising them? No...they're going to keep being criminals to the detriment of everyone else in society. By no means am I saying that the two aren't linked - but i'm certain that the proceeds of selling drugs are part of what keeps many criminals from indulging in more overt types of crime like robbery. I very much doubt that legalising drugs would lead to reductions in overall crime.

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The idea you should prevent people taking drugs in the first place is even more dangerous, as history has proven.
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