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You really hate life, don't you? You ooze hate, like envious green pus.

Of course, if you are schooled in the Castro method of rhetoric, you will accuse everyone else of hatred in order to hide the truth.

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You really hate life, don't you? You ooze hate, like envious green pus.

Of course, if you are schooled in the Castro method of rhetoric, you will accuse everyone else of hatred in order to hide the truth.
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dont get cranky now... 'envious green pus' sounds a bit like a CD comment
You'd almost think GlennMirnyi had a double account.

His ban and we havent missed a beat on these NT boards...
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On the announcement of his death, I think it’s fair to allow Christopher Hitchens to do the things he loved to do most.

Speak for himself:

[On the use of cluster bombs by the US in Afghanistan] If you’re actually certain that you’re hitting only a concentration of enemy troops…then it’s pretty good because those steel pellets will go straight through somebody and out the other side and through somebody else. And if they’re bearing a Koran over their heart, it’ll go straight through that, too. So they won’t be able to say, “Ah, I was bearing a Koran over my heart and guess what, the missile stopped halfway through.” No way, ’cause it’ll go straight through that as well. They’ll be dead, in other words.

Speak about himself:

I should perhaps confess that on September 11 last, once I had experienced all the usual mammalian gamut of emotions, from rage to nausea, I also discovered that another sensation was contending for mastery. On examination, and to my own surprise and pleasure, it turned out be exhilaration. Here was the most frightful enemy–theocratic barbarism–in plain view….I realized that if the battle went on until the last day of my life, I would never get bored in prosecuting it to the utmost.

Hitchens had a reputation for being an internationalist. Yet someone who gets excited by mass murder—and then invokes that excitement, to a waiting audience, as an explanation of his support for mass murder—is not an internationalist. He is a narcissist, the most provincial spirit of all.

Only a writer of Hitchens’s talents could do justice to the culture that now so shamefully mourns him.

http://www.salon.com/2011/12/17/chri...ths/singleton/
is this the man that now garners so much admiration? seriously...?

i find it rather curious to notice that a man who spent a good portion of his life deriding and attacking religions gets a devotion-like fanatism by his admirers now that he's death. but like the article suggests, his position as a reasonable good natured man will be forgotten in a month and his most ridiculous ideas will be critically scrutinezed over time.


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The day after Jerry Falwell died, Hitchens went on CNN and scorned what he called “the empty life of this ugly little charlatan,” saying: ”I think it’s a pity there isn’t a hell for him to go to.” As I said, those demanding that Hitchens not be criticized in death are invoking a warped etiquette standard on his behalf that is not only irrational, but is one he himself vigorously rejected.
it is indeed an interesting 'quality' of his character to desire endless torment to someone who died.

to dissipate doubts and possibly 'hater' tag comments from the likes of BH, i'll make clear that, as a Christian who does believe in heaven and hell, i hold no such ill natured wishes against hitch. needless to say, that won't prevent me from attacking his clownish and hateful ideas or the express my concern at everyone who now shows such a high degree of admiration towards him.

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he will be known for his intellectual honesty and for fighting the good fight, he isn't blindly worshipped like Christians do with their OT God, even his most ardent admirers realize his flaws

for instance and along with his questionable political positions, his life-style isn't exemplary and it's partially responsible for his early demise (along with genetic predisposition since his father died from the same cancer)

I don't see the problem with the first two quotes, it's consistent with what he's admonished all his life, and all of what he said on Falwell was spot on, not from the political correctness and emotional but-he-just-died angle, but who cares, fuck political correctness and undue respect, that's what Hitch was all about and what made him so great
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he will be known for his intellectual honesty and for fighting the good fight, he isn't blindly worshipped like Christians do with their OT God, even his most ardent admirers realize his flaws

for instance and along with his questionable political positions, his life-style isn't exemplary and it's partially responsible for his early demise (along with genetic predisposition since his father died from the same cancer)

I don't see the problem with the first two quotes, it's consistent with what he's admonished all his life,
consistent with a position of supporting a war that ended up killing thousands of innocent people for the price of oil, yes.

i don't care what his health lifestyle was like. i can admire the most drunken old man if he has the right ideas which are consistent with his behaviour. that's his path. then again, hitch's ideas were totally wacky and only serve to show his revengeful and provincial spirit. he was a polemist, no doubt about it, but so are many clowns here on MTF.

However, my main beef with the likes of hitch supporters is that they're like 'sure, he kind of fucked up when he supported bush but the rest of his work is great so no biggie'. to me, the iraq war was/is a huge thing that should be taken into a big account when it comes to evaluate this guy's work.

then again it isn't just that. his idiotic position on religion and his massive discourse against even more pathetic far right evangelist clowns and hardline sharia muslims only served to show how deeply hateful he was and how his intolerance got confused with a far critical sense unfettered by the need to be 'politically correct'. to all his fans out there, let me say one thing: it's not hard to look cool and intelligent when you're always confronting even bigger clowns than you.

i must say however that i was surprised to know that you like hitch so much, habibko. it does strike as surprising indeed that a man who grew up surrounded by Muslims now holds so much admiration towards a man that clearly despised Islam to the point of expressing his exhilaration at the thought of muslims dying while holding their Holy Book.

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and all of what he said on Falwell was spot on, not from the political correctness and emotional but-he-just-died angle, but who cares, fuck political correctness and undue respect, that's what Hitch was all about and what made him so great
wishing hell upon a person isn't just an expression of unpolitical correctness that many seem to praise as if it was a good thing that defies the establishment these days, it's also an expression of hate and revenge that no man worthy of massive admiration should entail, imo.

then again, that's his legacy and i only highlited it as a sign to his admirers that his position on death is no impediment to wish the worst wishes upon the deceased one, much less when it comes to attack their ideas -as i do.


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i must say however that i was surprised to know that you like hitch so much, habibko. it does strike as surprising indeed that a man who grew up surrounded by Muslims now holds so much admiration towards a man that clearly despised Islam to the point of expressing his exhilaration at the thought of muslims dying while holding their Holy Book.
he wasn't talking about all Muslims there, he was talking about Taliban/AlQaeda troops, the whole thing was a sarcastic remark on the unholiness of their beliefs

you don't know him well enough to judge his morals, he had very close Muslim friends and he talked about this many times (especially Kurds as he vehemently supported their cause)

he actually was so intellectually honest that he didn't fall for the zionist propaganda even though he was a Jew himself, his anti-zionist views are well known so he can't be accused of racism against Arabs or Muslims

take this quote for instance:

"In order for Israel to become part of the alliance against whatever we want to call it, religious barbarism, theocratic, possibly thermonuclear theocratic or nuclear theocratic aggression, it can't, it'll have to dispense with the occupation. It's as simple as that.

It can be, you can think of it as a kind of European style, Western style country if you want, but it can't govern other people against their will. It can't continue to steal their land in the way that it does every day. And it's unbelievably irresponsible of Israelis, knowing the position of the United States and its allies are in around the world, to continue to behave in this unconscionable way. And I'm afraid I know too much about the history of the conflict to think of Israel as just a tiny, little island surrounded by a sea of ravening wolves and so on. I mean, I know quite a lot about how that state was founded, and the amount of violence and dispossession that involved. And I'm a prisoner of that knowledge. I can't un-know it."

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wishing hell upon a person isn't just an expression of unpolitical correctness that many seem to praise as if it was a good thing that defies the establishment these days, it's also an expression of hate and revenge that no man worthy of massive admiration should entail, imo.

then again, that's his legacy and i only highlited it as a sign to his admirers that his position on death is no impediment to wish the worst wishes upon the deceased one, much less when it comes to attack their ideas -as i do.
You miss the point. He wished ''hell' on Jerry Falwell, a ridiculous human being man who promised ''hell'' on millions in the name of Christianity. But Hitchens knew very well there is no such thing as the hell that Falwell promised us. He knew he was wishing for something inexistent, so he was just bouncing the empty life of Falwell right back at him. Falwell could'nt possibly suffer endless torment after death.

What probably annoys you most is that Hitchens was a Trotskyite before he matured.

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You miss the point. He wished ''hell' on Jerry Falwell, a ridiculous human being man who promised ''hell'' on millions in the name of Christianity. But Hitchens knew very well there is no such thing as the hell that Falwell promised us. He knew he was wishing for something inexistent, so it was just rhetorical.
"I think it’s a pity there isn’t a hell for him to go to", is what the man said.

but you're clinging at straws again.

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to dissipate doubts and possibly 'hater' tag comments from the likes of BH, i'll make clear that, as a Christian who does believe in heaven and hell, i hold no such ill natured wishes against hitch. needless to say, that won't prevent me from attacking his clownish and hateful ideas or the express my concern at everyone who now shows such a high degree of admiration towards him.
What you don't seem to realize is that by labelling just about everything and everybody a ''clown'' you are just reinforcing your own reputation as one of MTF's most monotonous clowns.
Or is this just more Castrospeak, whereby if you keep labelling everyone a clown, then obviously you can not be one? Won't work.

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