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Sperm Donor ‘Super Dads’: the new eugenics?

Women use this system to find out the "perfect" sperm in order to produce the perfect baby.
You can choose a donor in a sperm bank functions of his physical characteristics, his diploma, his social background and religion.
Moreover, advances in technology have made it easier for couples who are reproductively challenged to conceive without hitting up the banks.
The result is just more eugenic pressures on getting the "best" sperm in these banks.

Is this tolerable?
I don't think so, it leads to create 'super-dad' donor.
Is this a new eugenics?


What's your thoughts?
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Women use this system to find out the "perfect" sperm in order to produce the perfect baby.
You can choose a donor in a sperm bank functions of his physical characteristics, his diploma, his social background and religion.
Moreover, advances in technology have made it easier for couples who are reproductively challenged to conceive without hitting up the banks.
The result is just more eugenic pressures on getting the "best" sperm in these banks.

Is this tolerable?
I don't think so, it leads to create 'super-dad' donor.
Is this a new eugenics?


What's your thoughts?
I don't think this is very new. What makes a 'super-dad' is very subjective? What about epigenetics? - No one will be the same even if they have virtually the same DNA. It's a bit sad though, but unsurprising.
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I don't think private society should run this business. We can't create life as we buy a car selecting our options.
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I don't think private society should run this business. We can't create life as we buy a car selecting our options.
But it does have its benefits though? Reduced chances of genetic defects etc.... I have to say I don't agree with all this 'engineering' the perfect offspring - there will be no diversity - all end up blue eyed, blond, physically perfect and super intelligent.....hmmm actually I wish my parents had signed up.
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But it does have its benefits though? Reduced chances of genetic defects etc.... I have to say I don't agree with all this 'engineering' the perfect offspring - there will be no diversity - all end up blue eyed, blond, physically perfect and super intelligent.....hmmm actually I wish my parents had signed up.
I agree but why are private firms running this business? Public laboratories could do it and also prevent from the eugenics stuff. State should really legislate on this!
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In principle, Grassquet, there are extraordinarily few things that should be entrusted to the State as opposed to the private sector.

And in practice, what percentage of women use sperm banks to conceive anyway? I don't personally have any idea, but I can't imagine that it's large enough to merit any real concern over the hunt for "super sperm."

Don't get me wrong; the attempt to "engineer" one's offspring in various ways does give me the willies, but so does the basic idea of getting pregnant by a totally random dude's seed.

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In principle, Grassquet, there are extraordinarily few things that should be entrusted to the State as opposed to the private sector.

And in practice, what percentage of women use sperm banks to conceive anyway? I don't personally have any idea, but I can't imagine that it's large enough to merit any real concern over the hunt for "super sperm."

You support a minimal intervention of the State? Only regalian functions, right?
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You support a minimal intervention of the State? Only regalian functions, right?
To be honest, this is the first time that I've encountered that term, and a Google search was not as instructive as expected.

Assuming "regalian functions" involve non-profitable public goods (e.g. roadways, libraries, etc.), lawmakers and law-enforcers (e.g police), and a military for protection from external threats, then yes, that's correct. With very few exceptions, I tend to favor extremely minimal governmental involvement in the affairs of its citizens. After all, the government exists to serve the citizens, and not vice-versa.

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Regalian is perhaps not used in English...
But you got it: justice, police, army
non-profitable public goods are obvious too.

But I have to disagree with you. We are not in a theoretical world and the state have to regulate and legislate because the market is not efficient. Smith was wrong.

And I think this is a case in point where the state have to legislate to prevent from eugenics shit.

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I don't think private society should run this business. We can't create life as we buy a car selecting our options.
Why not? Striving for improvement is the cornerstone of human civilization. Only relgious nuts have to put ethics and morals on every human advancement. If they had their way, we'd still be living without electricity, running water and computers.
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Why not? Striving for improvement is the cornerstone of human civilization. Only relgious nuts have to put ethics and morals on every human advancement. If they had their way, we'd still be living without electricity, running water and computers.




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It's true, though. Who the fuck would allow something as pathetic and as arbitary as "ethics" and "morals" interfere with progress? Only religious zealots. They try to prevent women from disposing of unwanted genetic material (abortions). They impede science by trying to ban theory of evolution from schools and trying to incorporate nonsense like "Christian Science" into school curriculum. They refuse to vote for a better man just because he doesn't have an imaginary friend.

Genetic engineering is a wonderful field of science. With enough advancements, we can create "perfect babies", eradicate diseases, extend lives and heal the sick. But of course tampering with DNA and genetic code might not be "ethical" and "playing God" so here we are. It's disgusting how much religion still has so much influence over things it has no right to interfere with.
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It's true, though. Who the fuck would allow something as pathetic and as arbitary as "ethics" and "morals" interfere with progress? Only religious zealots. They try to prevent women from disposing of unwanted genetic material (abortions). They impede science by trying to ban theory of evolution from schools and trying to incorporate nonsense like "Christian Science" into school curriculum. They refuse to vote for a better man just because he doesn't have an imaginary friend.

Genetic engineering is a wonderful field of science. With enough advancements, we can create "perfect babies", eradicate diseases, extend lives and heal the sick. But of course tampering with DNA and genetic code might not be "ethical" and "playing God" so here we are. It's disgusting how much religion still has so much influence over things it has no right to interfere with.
What's about diversity? Do you want a world where people are "clones"? Eradicate diseases, extend live is good but do we really need to choose the eyes colour, hair colour, soon face features of our babies?
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There's a certain boundary with how much humans should use their technological advancements. This would be breaking that boundary.

I mean how are the rest of us, made in less technologically advanced days from random sperm from random guys supposed to compete with these super children? In some ways, humans are at the stage now where evolution and natural selection cannot advance any further naturally.. technological selection indeed. The human mind and thus technology might be the only way to develop further.. and become even further mentally and physically superior. I mean, that is afterall what all animals naturally strive for without even knowing it. With how the human mind has developed it was inevitable that Survival of the fittest would no longer be natural soon enough.

Obviously this will only cause trouble in the future, but it seems the likely course whether we like it or not. Will cause discrimination and power struggles, possibly even wars, but there we go. We can only hope we're long dead by the time this becomes the norm.

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