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He's been in Afghanistan since 2008 and do you realize what you're saying? It means that we don't care about the Afghan civilians killed as long as we don't have GI's killed. He does not have to clear things up. He's got to leave, period. They don't have anything to do in that country. Afghans did nothing wrong to us. Let me tell you that we're all hated there.


And Bush did not start the war in Lybia and did not arm terrorists in Syria.


Social perspective, Obamacare? It's an act that forces citizens to be insured by PRIVATE bodies. And it leaves many citizens without health cover.

I can't support it in any way. Support Rocky Anderson if you want, but please, not Obama.
Obamacare that has traits from the UK's fantastic NHS?

OK

Obama isn't perfect, has his faults but has to win this.

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Originally, the NHS was totally public, wasn't it?


But I will never understand this. Why support the lesser of two evil? I mean for me it's a matter of honour. If I don't agree with a political leader, I don't vote for him, period. Even if another guy I disagree with capitalize on this.

He should have convinced us that he was good. As Nader said, "the lesser of two evil is not good enough for America, we want the best".
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So are the exit polls accurate? Obama retains?

President Obama is not a nice soft guy, he has just fooled the world into believing that he is a nicer guy than Cowboy President Bush. Same music only sneakier. He wasn't really involved in Libya but what happened to the Ghadaffi regime (oust by the "UN") only could happen thanks to his involvement, albeit in the background.

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Exit polls are always bs. They are always done in heavily one-sided areas. And people f--k around with them.

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Obama wins Florida and Ohio. Could win Virginia too. It's a little more one sided than expected.
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Watch out, it could be the first time since 1964 where the winner doesn't take Ohio. Obama up by only 0,1% with 80% reporting.
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I'm not happy with Obama winning, but I'm relieved.

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Fox news is a fucking disgrace.

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A very good night.

I predicted Obama wins while losing Indiana, North Carolina and Florida from last time. He lost Indiana and North Carolina but held Florida, so it's almost as much of a blowout as last time, and wins the popular vote comfortably.

Great wins for Elizabeth Warren, Tammy Baldwin and women Senators in general, including the first openly homosexual. Some great news on the same sex marriage front as 4 ballot measures in favour of it or against restricting it have apparently passed. Ditto on some legalisation of marijuana measures in various states.

Allen West loses in Florida, although Steve King and Michele Bachmann hang on to their seats in Iowa and Minnesota.

All in all, very good news for those of us of a progressive bent - although $2.6 billion dollars has been spent on this cycle and:

President elected by about same margin as last time
Senate virtually unchanged - Dems in control though possible gain of a seat or two.
House virtually unchanged, GOP have the gavel, though possible few Dem gains.

Money well spent?
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What is the problem?

I think she said that because of changing demographics, the Republican Party can no longer present itself as the Party of white middle class Americans and must become more inclusive. To me, that sounds like a criticism of Republicans. And a valid one.

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So a simple average of state polling gets it right. Just like in 2004, 2006, 2008 and 2010. Yet pundits seemed surprised. I guess they needed the added drama for ratings.

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(I know Silver started in 2008, but state polls have got it right every time)

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What is the problem?

I think she said that because of changing demographics, the Republican Party can no longer present itself as the Party of white middle class Americans and must become more inclusive. To me, that sounds like a criticism of Republicans. And a valid one.
Saying "brown nation" is not cool.

That may be the objection. Fox is shady when it comes to racial politics.

Anyway, that aside, I am happy for our country. Happy for myself.

Romney, to me, was a disaster.
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I don't think that is racist.

This, on the other hand...

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It's not just the white working-class and middle-class men (you know, those that fought for and built America from scratch), it's the religious nonsense that is killing them more than anything. Todd Akin and Dick Mourdock are just the ultimate examples of that.

The tea party has cost the Republicans huge seats in the Senate. Harry Reid is hugely unpopular in Nevada, like Claire McCaskill in Missouri, but the Republicans that faced them were very weak. But the states that are solidly Republican are very far right. So anyone who goes moderate is facing huge problems in the primary. They have put themselves in a very bad position on a national level. And unless they can suddenly wake up and come out of the social conservatism and primarily make the elections simply about nothing more than economics, they are in for a very tough time in all future national elections. Unless of course the country goes belly up, which if the Democrats don't reign in their spending like a drunken sailor, it will. No one wants to invest in America anymore. Total reverse from what made us the industrial giant.

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Respect to Americans for re-electing Obama
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