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According to CNBC and CNN, Ryan was the winner.

We'll see. Wasn't particularly impressed by either of them. Biden was overly aggressive (possibly a liberal response to the first debate) and Ryan too vague and evasive.
I don't see Ryan interrupting him and acting like an immature child (Biden) as being evasive. I agree that he should have been more aggressive. And their plans are wishful thinking. I don't know why Ryan or Romney hasn't just flat out stated that even with a super majority, the Democrats did absolutely nothing but spend and spend. No plans whatsoever for the future is the story of their campaign.

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What about the U.S. Senate majority leader making now proven false allegations based upon a anonymous source who would be a criminal with illegal access if he even existed and was likely didn't have any credibility at all?

You don't think the fact that Reid hasn't apologized, much less been censured is not a serious problem with double standards and lies?
Technically he hasn't been proven false, Romney still hasn't released any tax returns from more than 3 years ago.

Now, I will admit that what Reid said is most likely false (obviously), and he shouldn't have done that (however entertaining and hilarious that was). But you can really take your hypocrisy and shove it. Republican vice president swearing at a Senator? Check. Republican vice-presidential candidate claiming that there are "death panels"? Check.

But honestly. Politicians making up facts and labelling false accusations? Hardly a new thing in american (or any other country for that matter) politics. If you really want to censure anyone, look for those making inside trading deals instead.

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I don't see Ryan interrupting him and acting like an immature child (Biden) as being evasive. I agree that he should have been more aggressive. And their plans are wishful thinking. I don't know why Ryan or Romney hasn't just flat out stated that even with a super majority, the Democrats did absolutely nothing but spend and spend. No plans whatsoever for the future is the story of their campaign.
I hate this democratic supermajority nonsense.

The democrats only EVER had a 6 month period where they had a supermajority (and half of that was spent in recess)

With the remaining period, they managed to pass the healthcare bill (which under any other circumstances would not have passed)

So to argue that democrats did failed with their supermajority is nonsense.

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So the Senate Majority leader making accusations based upon anonymous sources is hilarious and entertaining? So what, we can do that and call it entertainment and satire? I don't understand that mentality.

What Reid did was as unprecedented as it was despicable.

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So the Senate Majority leader making accusations based upon anonymous sources is hilarious and entertaining? So what, we can do that and call it entertainment and satire? I don't understand that mentality.

What Reid did was as unprecedented as it was despicable.
It's hilarious and entertaining because he said what a lot of people wanted said to Mitt Romney (though it was obviously over the top).

You obviously selectively read and skated over the part where I said it was wrong.

And I see you also selectively chose to ignore the supermajority fact now.

I will say this again: Facts have a liberal bias.

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the democratic vice puppet provided better entertainment value than the republican vice puppet.
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The US world is run by a few large companies global banking cartel (central and commercial), and they are running it into the ground.
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Care to name them?
"Revealed – the capitalist network that runs the world"
http://www.newscientist.com/article/...the-world.html

“...the study, by a trio of complex systems theorists at the Swiss Federal Institute of Technology in Zurich, is the first to go beyond ideology to empirically identify such a network of power. It combines the mathematics long used to model natural systems with comprehensive corporate data to map ownership among the world's transnational corporations (TNCs). The work, to be published in PLoS One, revealed a core of 1318 companies with interlocking ownerships. Each of the 1318 had ties to two or more other companies, and on average they were connected to 20. What's more, although they represented 20 per cent of global operating revenues, the 1318 appeared to collectively own through their shares the majority of the world's large blue chip and manufacturing firms - the "real" economy - representing a further 60 per cent of global revenues.”

"Reality is so complex, we must move away from dogma, whether it's conspiracy theories or free-market," says James Glattfelder. "Our analysis is reality-based."


The Network of Global Corporate Control - Swiss Federal Institute of Technology
http://arxiv.org/PS_cache/arxiv/pdf/...107.5728v2.pdf

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"The structure of the control network of transnational corporations affects global market competition and financial stability. So far, only small national samples were studied and there was no appropriate methodology to assess control globally. We present the first investigation of the architecture of the international ownership network, along with the computation of the control held by each global player. We find that transnational corporations form a giant bow-tie structure and that a large portion of control flows to a small tightly-knit core of financial institutions. This core can be seen as an economic 'super-entity' that raises new important issues both for researchers and policy makers."

"This is the first time a ranking of economic actors by global control is presented. Notice that many of the actors belong to the financial sector and many of the names are well-known global players. The interest of this ranking is not that it exposes unsuspected powerful players. Instead, it shows that many of the top actors belong to the core. This means they do not carry out their business in isolation but, on the contrary, they are tied together in an extremely entangled web of control. This finding is extremely important since there was no prior economic theory or empirical evidence regarding whether and how top players are connected. Finally, it should be noted that governments and natural persons are only featured further down in the list.”

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banks control all major industries including oil, pharmaceuticals, food, weapons, telecoms, etc, etc. it’s just one massive cartel controlled from the top down.....'competition is sin'.
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I think it was a tied between two guys, but I think personally Biden's reaction was so appalling and so unusual, i mean to me he looked like he had too much drinks before this debate, he was totally unprofessional tonight, i mean smirking and laughing and keep interupting Paul every single time. To me i thought Biden was better than this, im very disappointed that he didnt deliver it as much as i thought. I thought Paul was calm cool and collected and didn't seemed bothered even though Biden was just plain ol rude. But Biden did a hell of alot better than Obama i give him that, because i also saw the presidental debate and it was one-sided obvious from the beginning. Obama was confused, lost and didnt know what the hell he was doing at all. And the democrats and the white house still blame the youtube tape, which to me is just unbelieveably ridiculous, its like why are you keep lying to the american people. I tell you what, if Obama and Biden don't get their shit together, i dunno what will happen but it will get so dam ugly if their inconsistencies continue.
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And im also amazed at the lady asking the questions, what about the economy, foreign policy and taxes, no one cares about the abortion and other shit they were saying. She just kept mention the abortion crap like thats the biggest problem in our country right now.
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It's like the draft in 2004. The abortion issue comes up because some social conservatives are against it. And they try to play it off like that should be the issue that women vote on.

But that's not the President's decision anyway. They seem to miss that point. They used that constantly against Bush in 2000 and 2004. It was nonsense. He was never/could never ban abortion.

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"Revealed – the capitalist network that runs the world"
http://www.newscientist.com/article/...the-world.html

“...the study, by a trio of complex systems theorists at the Swiss Federal Institute of Technology in Zurich, is the first to go beyond ideology to empirically identify such a network of power. It combines the mathematics long used to model natural systems with comprehensive corporate data to map ownership among the world's transnational corporations (TNCs). The work, to be published in PLoS One, revealed a core of 1318 companies with interlocking ownerships. Each of the 1318 had ties to two or more other companies, and on average they were connected to 20. What's more, although they represented 20 per cent of global operating revenues, the 1318 appeared to collectively own through their shares the majority of the world's large blue chip and manufacturing firms - the "real" economy - representing a further 60 per cent of global revenues.”

"Reality is so complex, we must move away from dogma, whether it's conspiracy theories or free-market," says James Glattfelder. "Our analysis is reality-based."


The Network of Global Corporate Control - Swiss Federal Institute of Technology
http://arxiv.org/PS_cache/arxiv/pdf/...107.5728v2.pdf

Abstract
"The structure of the control network of transnational corporations affects global market competition and financial stability. So far, only small national samples were studied and there was no appropriate methodology to assess control globally. We present the first investigation of the architecture of the international ownership network, along with the computation of the control held by each global player. We find that transnational corporations form a giant bow-tie structure and that a large portion of control flows to a small tightly-knit core of financial institutions. This core can be seen as an economic 'super-entity' that raises new important issues both for researchers and policy makers."

"This is the first time a ranking of economic actors by global control is presented. Notice that many of the actors belong to the financial sector and many of the names are well-known global players. The interest of this ranking is not that it exposes unsuspected powerful players. Instead, it shows that many of the top actors belong to the core. This means they do not carry out their business in isolation but, on the contrary, they are tied together in an extremely entangled web of control. This finding is extremely important since there was no prior economic theory or empirical evidence regarding whether and how top players are connected. Finally, it should be noted that governments and natural persons are only featured further down in the list.”

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banks control all major industries including oil, pharmaceuticals, food, weapons, telecoms, etc, etc. it’s just one massive cartel controlled from the top down.....'competition is sin'.
great post

key word: cartel ...not surprising really since the federal reserve system the west is economically governed by for the last 99yrs is the best definition of a cartel...

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"Revealed – the capitalist network that runs the world"
http://www.newscientist.com/article/...the-world.html

“...the study, by a trio of complex systems theorists at the Swiss Federal Institute of Technology in Zurich, is the first to go beyond ideology to empirically identify such a network of power. It combines the mathematics long used to model natural systems with comprehensive corporate data to map ownership among the world's transnational corporations (TNCs). The work, to be published in PLoS One, revealed a core of 1318 companies with interlocking ownerships. Each of the 1318 had ties to two or more other companies, and on average they were connected to 20. What's more, although they represented 20 per cent of global operating revenues, the 1318 appeared to collectively own through their shares the majority of the world's large blue chip and manufacturing firms - the "real" economy - representing a further 60 per cent of global revenues.”

"Reality is so complex, we must move away from dogma, whether it's conspiracy theories or free-market," says James Glattfelder. "Our analysis is reality-based."


The Network of Global Corporate Control - Swiss Federal Institute of Technology
http://arxiv.org/PS_cache/arxiv/pdf/...107.5728v2.pdf

Abstract
"The structure of the control network of transnational corporations affects global market competition and financial stability. So far, only small national samples were studied and there was no appropriate methodology to assess control globally. We present the first investigation of the architecture of the international ownership network, along with the computation of the control held by each global player. We find that transnational corporations form a giant bow-tie structure and that a large portion of control flows to a small tightly-knit core of financial institutions. This core can be seen as an economic 'super-entity' that raises new important issues both for researchers and policy makers."

"This is the first time a ranking of economic actors by global control is presented. Notice that many of the actors belong to the financial sector and many of the names are well-known global players. The interest of this ranking is not that it exposes unsuspected powerful players. Instead, it shows that many of the top actors belong to the core. This means they do not carry out their business in isolation but, on the contrary, they are tied together in an extremely entangled web of control. This finding is extremely important since there was no prior economic theory or empirical evidence regarding whether and how top players are connected. Finally, it should be noted that governments and natural persons are only featured further down in the list.”

Top 50 Superconnected control-holders, Country

1 BARCLAYS PLC GB
2 CAPITAL GROUP COMPANIES INC US
3 FMR CORP US
4 AXA FRANCE
5 STATE STREET CORPORATION US
6 JP MORGAN CHASE & CO. US
7 LEGAL & GENERAL GROUP PLC GB
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9 UBS AG SWITZERLAND
10 MERRILL LYNCH & CO., INC. US
11 WELLINGTON MANAGEMENT CO. L.L.P. US
12 DEUTSCHE BANK AG GERMANY
13 FRANKLIN RESOURCES, INC. US
14 CREDIT SUISSE GROUP SWITZERLAND
15 WALTON ENTERPRISES LLC US
16 BANK OF NEWYORKMELLON CORP. US
17 NATIXIS FRANCE
18 GOLDMAN SACHS GROUP, INC., US
19 T. ROWEPRICE GROUP, INC. US
20 LEGG MASON, INC. US
21 MORGAN STANLEY US
22 MITSUBISHI UFJ FINANCIAL GROUP, INC. JAPAN
23 NORTHERN TRUST CORPORATION US
24 SOCIÉTÉ GÉNÉRALE FRANCE
25 BANK OF AMERICA CORPORATION US
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28 ALLIANZSE GERMANY
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30 OLD MUTUAL PUBLIC LIMITED COMPANY GB
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49 CAPITAL GROUP INTERNATIONAL, INC. US
50 CHINA PETROCHEMICAL GROUP CO. CHINA

banks control all major industries including oil, pharmaceuticals, food, weapons, telecoms, etc, etc. it’s just one massive cartel controlled from the top down.....'competition is sin'.
The first report concludes that wealth attracts wealth and this is natural. There is no conspiracy. And I think all of these companies are publically owned. So in reality the public controls everything.
The second report is academic gobbledeygook. Just read the last paragraph. Totally meaningless jargon.

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Biden clearly overcompensated but still comfortably won this one.
Even if you say it often enough, it still won't be true.

From what I am reading, Biden is being criticised across the board for giving the impression that he thinks eye rolling and snickering are debate tactics. It was obvious from the start that Biden's mission for the evening was to counteract Obama's disinterest in any kind of speech that doesn't involve a teleprompter. But when it is forced disdain, it is glaringly obvious.

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Virtually everyone says it's about even with both bases being happy, so you libertarian assholes can shove it. Gary Johnson will destroy Romney's chances of winning, Ron Paul nut huggers. And Biden's "behavior" alone will not supersede the obvious fact Ryan lacked substance. Ryan is all soundbites.
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i was sure Biden will kick Ryan's ass..

who would have thought?

i think Biden was looking Arrogant, smug and too pleased with himself so he might "won" but ppl thought it was so uncall for so he lost

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Even if you say it often enough, it still won't be true.

From what I am reading, Biden is being criticised across the board for giving the impression that he thinks eye rolling and snickering are debate tactics. It was obvious from the start that Biden's mission for the evening was to counteract Obama's disinterest in any kind of speech that doesn't involve a teleprompter. But when it is forced disdain, it is glaringly obvious.
Obviously buddyholly not sharing a strong relationship with the facts, as usual.

Most polls of voters had Biden ahead, and those that had him ahead were by larger margins than polls showing ryan ahead.

Furthermore, Larry Sabato, Taegan Goddard both agree that Biden won comfortably. Fox news called it a "tie" which essentially means Biden won.

Almost everyone agrees that Biden probably went overboard, but Ryan's abject refusal to answer any specifics as well as implicit advocation for the overturning of Roe v. Wade meant Biden came across as much more solid than Ryan did.

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