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So the fact that these things were published in his newsletter under his name does not necessarily mean it was something he believed? Then why should we accept that what he says today is something he believes?
From what you wrote above it seems the logical conclusion to be drawn is that he is not a libertarian.

Or as someone said, if his own newsletter was publishing racist articles in his name and he did not know it, then he is not competent to be president.
you believe what you wish to believe... with the typical amount of shit slinging that goes on in election mode, i'd argue that fact that they have to dig as far back as 1982 to find something that he says he didnt back would represent a pretty solid candidate... notwithstanding the hours upon endless hours of footage preaching consistent libertarian ideology and monetary reform that he did say...

you should know yourself buddyholly, you are the one amongst us able to recall such consistency he preached when nixon finally separated the US dollar from the gold standard in 1971...

but forget all that, the only reason paul has gained steadily throughout the campaign while the other candidates are up and down like a yo-yo is that paul's followers are an informed bunch... they are not the fair-weather friends obama fooled with an empty slogan and a series of forgettable one-liners about the change that never happened... 'wooo yeah, yes we can, change wooooo, this is ahhhhsum...'

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CNN and the Jewish community will dig up everything and anything they can to destroy Ron Paul's integrity. Racism is the cheapest and most effective political attack but, as long as voters distinguish desperate accusations vs the real deal, it shouldn't work.
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CNN and the Jewish community will dig up everything and anything they can to destroy Ron Paul's integrity. Racism is the cheapest and most effective political attack but, as long as voters distinguish desperate accusations vs the real deal, it shouldn't work.
fresh, moist sh!t sticks to a wall when slung at a pace...

this is more your dry, outdated kind of shit... pretty sad really...

i'm not surprised he walked off the set of an interview really... because he can afford to... the demographic of the paul supporter does pick up the majority of their info from the mainstream... i use italics to emphasise because perhaps sites like youtube are quickly becoming the mainstream due to the fact that it does not preach an agenda under the guise of something else....

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talking about ron paul as if he had a shot to get the republican nomination, let alone get a shot to run for president, is useless.

even in the impossible lala land scenario in which he'd actually become president he'd either have to change his political agenda or else he'd probly get shot dead.

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you believe what you wish to believe... with the typical amount of shit slinging that goes on in election mode, i'd argue that fact that they have to dig as far back as 1982 to find something that he says he didnt back would represent a pretty solid candidate... notwithstanding the hours upon endless hours of footage preaching consistent libertarian ideology and monetary reform that he did say...
Hey, I wanted to like him too, but anyone who can say with a straight face that ''what was written in my name in my newsletter has nothing to do with what I really think'' can not be trusted with the presidency. What if he said ''it was my nuclear button and only I was authorized to press it, but I gave it to some extreme conspiracy theorists to do with as they pleased. So stop bothering me, what pleased them just happened to be something I would not have done."

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Hey, I wanted to like him too, but anyone who can say with a straight face that ''what was written in my name in my newsletter has nothing to do with what I really think'' can not be trusted with the presidency. What if he said ''it was my nuclear button and only I was authorized to press it, but I gave it to some extreme conspiracy theorists to do with as they pleased. So stop bothering me, what pleased them just happened to be something I would not have done."
that's ok mate.... your rule of thumb just excluded pretty much every US president ever elected...

forgive me the need to elaborate...

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that's ok mate.... your rule of thumb just excluded pretty much every US president ever elected...

forgive me the need to elaborate...
Excluding them from the presidency after they are elected would be difficult.

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this turns into such a field of clowns and maniacs, obama will have a field day in 2012. he's leading all of them in the polls and hasn't even started campaigning. plus it's self-destruction galore on the right side.

whatever the economy is gonna look like, obama got bernanke in the tank, the guy who can create money out of thin air and will do so time and time again. i don't believe you can kick the can down the road forever, but you most certainly can kick it into 2013. pop the trainwreck that is the u.s. economy after the election, what the heck.

it's over for the republicans. the earlier they accept the upcoming meltdown, the easier it will be to come to terms with it. christie knew why he let this one go.
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The need electorate reform. Nothing less will change anything in the USA political sphere so I'm not sure how different presidents will differ.
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So the fact that these things were published in his newsletter under his name does not necessarily mean it was something he believed? Then why should we accept that what he says today is something he believes?
From what you wrote above it seems the logical conclusion to be drawn is that he is not a libertarian.

Or as someone said, if his own newsletter was publishing racist articles in his name and he did not know it, then he is not competent to be president.
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They need to elect either Sarah Palin or Ann Coulter. Both are MILFs It's not like Yanks will ever have a decent president anyway.
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The guy's actually making sense. Scary.
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Hey, I wanted to like him too, but anyone who can say with a straight face that ''what was written in my name in my newsletter has nothing to do with what I really think'' can not be trusted with the presidency. What if he said ''it was my nuclear button and only I was authorized to press it, but I gave it to some extreme conspiracy theorists to do with as they pleased. So stop bothering me, what pleased them just happened to be something I would not have done."
Do you really think comparing some newsletter with a nuclear button is apt comparison? As Paul said himself, how come nobody is asking him about this or that policy, how do you solve this or that problem, they all want to hear about some ancient newsletter, if that's all they could dig up it shows just how desperate they are

Btw, now that you mentioned nuclear button, who would be safer to entrust it to, Paul or the likes of Bachmann, etc?

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Even if Paul was a massive racist he would still be significantly preferable to every other candidate.
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Indeed.
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