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What is a "willing" bitch? You sound ludicrous.

BTW make yourself useful, and vote for Ron Paul.
1) One that gives the people's oil away to a foreign country, whose leader he personally adores.

2) Sorry, I don't get a vote. But anyway, I couldn't vote for someone so lacking in common sense that he rejects evolution.

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And yeah BTW, I do sympathize with the original IRA. They defended their country from colonialists (those that you happen to support, unfortunately).
No clowning now.

Why do you say I happen to support colonialists?

I sympathize with the original IRA too. England was a cruel master. But being a pragmatist, and recognizing the realities of Northern Ireland over the last 40 years, I did not sympathize at all with the more recent version. Maybe it would have been better to swallow the whole bitter pill at the beginning, but once that opportunity was missed, then it was too late.
The movement for civil rights in the 70's was legitimate, but once the violent faction of the IRA hijacked that movement and turned it into a move to integrate the North with the South, legitimacy was lost. The IRA was not representing the people in the Republic, most of my friends in the South were of the opinion that Northern Ireland was London's problem and Dublin was better off without it.

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http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-503544_1...vented-people/

Gingrich: Palestinians are an invented people.

That old chestnut again...
I came here to post that, I liked this response:

Elliott Abrams, a Bush deputy national security adviser now with the Council on Foreign Relations, said: "There was no Jordan or Syria or Iraq, either, so perhaps he would say they are all invented people as well, and also have no right to statehood. Whatever was true then, Palestinian nationalism has grown since 1948, and whether we like it or not, it exists."

if anything, Israel is the truly invented nation for invented people who had no right to travel to Palestine and claim that land except by their own religious bullshit, they should have remained in diaspora where they belong
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Actually, since he's trying to be president, I'm more concerned whether he believes in proven economic theories than evolution, gravity or Einstein's theory of relativity.

If he was applying to be a nuclear physicist, then I'd be worried.
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mate, yeah... jokeworthy for sure...

but, i'd say this part of his campaign is rock solid... we must remember bush jr's campaign was run with one hand on the bible at all times inside a country where the porn industry rakes in a tonne more than hollywood does.. talk about a schizophrenic nation...

in many U.S. elections you'll see you almost need to polarise a mass of people to force one side to mobilise in fervant support - with any luck in your direction... this is just how their flawed form of democracy works...

i don't support this view of ron paul though... and because it is not the issue of the day, it will disarm any attack on him i'd say... and he doesn't sway from his views so it is an acceptable flaw imo...

but yeah, we must remember that voting isn't compulsory.. and mobilisation of everbody, anybody is the key...
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Lol, he isn't campaigning for the chair at the department of biology, it couldn't matter less. Get your priorities sorted out
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2) Sorry, I don't get a vote. But anyway, I couldn't vote for someone so lacking in common sense that he rejects evolution.
It's not about understanding evolution being key to run a country properly (which in many cases it might be), it's about the fact that it is extremely dangerous to have someone at the steering wheel of the most powerful nation on earth who is so stupid, stubborn or radical in his views that he refuses to accept a scientific fact from which the disciplines of biology, and thus its subdisciplines of zoology, botanics etc. derive.

If he is able to hold such jaw-dropping views, who knows what other things he'll be willing to "believe"...

Look at it this way: imagine you're ill and need to go to the doctor. You have no reasons to believe he isn't a perfectly qualified practician, but you've never actually been to his practice. At one point however you find out he firmly believes the earth is flat and orbits around the sun. Would you offer him your confidence and make him your regular MD? There you go.

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Armstrong says in-competition testing will never catch anyone, only out-of-competition testing and the blood passport can.

Tennis has no blood passport system, and does basically no out of competition testing.

The methods and drugs used by Armstrong in 1999 would work in tennis right now, with zero chance of being caught (not slightly surprising to anyone familiar with the topic, btw).
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It's not about understanding evolution being key to run a country properly (which in many cases it might be), it's about the fact that it is extremely dangerous to have someone at the steering wheel of the most powerful nation on earth who is so stupid, stubborn or radical in his views that he refuses to accept a scientific fact from which the disciplines of biology, and thus its subdisciplines of zoology, botanics etc. derive.

If he is able to hold such jaw-dropping views, who knows what other things he'll be willing to "believe"...

Look at it this way: imagine you're ill and need to go to the doctor. You have no reasons to believe he isn't a perfectly qualified practician, but you've never actually been to his practice. At one point however you find out he firmly believes the earth is flat and orbits around the sun. Would you offer him your confidence and make him your regular MD? There you go.
that's ok...

i never really paid attention to religious views... of anyone... and especially not when the reasons that ail the western world is something that this man knows thoroughly - 40 years worth of consistency...

you'll wait a long time for that inch perfect candidate mate...

i'll put it this way: knowing that this man could reform the monetary function throughout the western world and thereby halting the road to serfdom and cease all war on foreign soil, you would still reject him with this one flaw...?

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that's ok...

i never really paid attention to religious views... of anyone... and especially not when the reasons that ail the western world is something that this man knows thoroughly - 40 years worth of consistency...

you'll wait a long time for that inch perfect candidate mate...

i'll put it this way: knowing that this man could reform the monetary function throughout the western world and thereby halting the road to serfdom and cease all war on foreign soil, you would still reject him with this one flaw...?

big call man
I get what you mean. Paul has some surprisingly consistent positions and many (most?) of them would do some good to this fucked up planet of ours.

But going back to my doctor analogy, I would probably still trust that doctor and embrace him as my general practitioner, considering his excellent credentials, but that isolated, monumentally outrageous part of him that holds such a ridiculous view would keep on nagging me and keeping me unease. Chances are sooner that later I'd end up finding out it wasn't that isolated after all.

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Armstrong says in-competition testing will never catch anyone, only out-of-competition testing and the blood passport can.

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The methods and drugs used by Armstrong in 1999 would work in tennis right now, with zero chance of being caught (not slightly surprising to anyone familiar with the topic, btw).
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I sympathize with the original IRA too. England was a cruel master. But being a pragmatist, and recognizing the realities of Northern Ireland over the last 40 years, I did not sympathize at all with the more recent version. Maybe it would have been better to swallow the whole bitter pill at the beginning, but once that opportunity was missed, then it was too late.
The movement for civil rights in the 70's was legitimate, but once the violent faction of the IRA hijacked that movement and turned it into a move to integrate the North with the South, legitimacy was lost. The IRA was not representing the people in the Republic
i must admit i'm surprised. i didnt expect this position from you.

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most of my friends in the South were of the opinion that Northern Ireland was London's problem and Dublin was better off without it.
that's the problem with ireland these days. a lot of people simply don't care about a united ireland. it's their wish though.

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Chavez is a clown, a wannabe Gadaafi, who pictures himself as the strong man of South America. My posts mentioning Chavez will always have a mocking tone. Such as the Chavez Christmas creche now on display in Caracas. What the news article didn't explain is if he was depicted as one of the three wise men or just one of the asses.

And yes, Chavez is Castro's willing bitch.
since we're finally opening our hearts to each other, i must take the honesty-ride and say that yes, chávez is a clown. even though i think that the dude might care about the poor, his policies have been totally misguided and won't be good for the country in the long run.

still, there's no reason to say countries like bolivia or peru are chávez's puppets.

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But going back to my doctor analogy, I would probably still trust that doctor and embrace him as my general practitioner, considering his excellent credentials, but that isolated, monumentally outrageous part of him that holds such a ridiculous view would keep on nagging me and keeping me unease. Chances are sooner that later I'd end up finding out it wasn't that isolated after all.
Well, Paul is actually an MD and I don't remember reading somewhere his patients were complaining of his evolution views

“There’s so many athletes, tennis players around the world,” he continued, trying to put his life into some kind of perspective, “they want to be the best in what they do. They want to succeed. Many of them, they don’t succeed in the end. I’m fortunate to have this opportunity and succeed.”
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You pick a leader when it comes to doing a good damn job. You don't pick one on whether or not he believes in God.

The guy can have religious beliefs, be agnostic, or be an atheist, but as long as he can help improve the country, that's all that matters.

History is testament to that.
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ron paul is a semi-libertarian clown but at least he's not such an interventionist hawk like obama or bush... i really like his stance on israel but that's probly the main reason he'll fail. the american zionist jews won't simply let that pass.

all in all, he's a crap candidate but -in terms of the world's welfare- he is probly a lot better than the other guys around. without knowing much about the upcoming yank elections, i'd say theres no chance in hell he even gets the republican nomination to run for president.


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You pick a leader when it comes to doing a good damn job. You don't pick one on whether or not he believes in God.

The guy can have religious beliefs, be agnostic, or be an atheist, but as long as he can help improve the country, that's all that matters.

History is testament to that.
Who the hell talked about his believing or not believing in God?

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since we're finally opening our hearts to each other, i must take the honesty-ride and say that yes, chávez is a clown. even though i think that the dude might care about the poor, his policies have been totally misguided and won't be good for the country in the long run.

still, there's no reason to say countries like bolivia or peru are chávez's puppets.


Must be the season.

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It's not about understanding evolution being key to run a country properly (which in many cases it might be), it's about the fact that it is extremely dangerous to have someone at the steering wheel of the most powerful nation on earth who is so stupid, stubborn or radical in his views that he refuses to accept a scientific fact from which the disciplines of biology, and thus its subdisciplines of zoology, botanics etc. derive.
My main concern was that he wasn't stating his beliefs - just pandering to the voters. I am not sure which is worse.

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It doesn't matter who wins the election. The U.S. is already halfway to H*LL in a hand basket and I don't think any one can stop the downward slide at this point

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