Why exactly is the premise wrong? Because you say so?
I say you're saying that same thing I said. Facts are things known or proved to be true.
I skipped that yesterday (no time) but it reminds me of a scene from Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade
at the uni when Indy wrote the "FACTS" on the blackboard saying something like archeology is dealing facts and not truth, "if you want a lecture on truth, go to the philosophy department".
Facts are objective truthS. Not THE truth. Subjective truth also exists. The subjective truth can even be truer than the objective truth which is mainly a superficial truth.
Okay I might have confused the term 'superstition' with 'fetishism'.
In this respect, my comparison is still right. I also fell off my chair when a Professor of mine at uni made the same comparison, but since then I've realized it's true.
Originally Posted by Clydey
I have a feeling Echoes is trotting out the Stalin argument. It's tired, it's inaccurate, but that won't stop people from using Stalin's Russia as an example of reason gone mad.
If it were only that.
It all started with the French Revolution (of 1792!), I guess.
Saying that the christianized world (pre-1792) was less freedom-friendly than the dechristianized world that followed, is not only not following me but also not following the facts.
You might wanna take conscription for example. For France, it was invented by the Convention and accepted by the dechristianized French people. Those who combatted it, Vendeans or Chouans, were massacred in unspeakable atrocities, by the "Realists" from the young French Republic. For sure, the Kings would have wished to have such absolute power but they never succeeded.
Conscription lasted during all of Buonaparte's Empire + the 3rd Republic in 1914. Is that what you call being free?
If scientists invented (or whichever verb you like, no matter) Freedom, than they should be able to describe it positively. Not sure it is possible.
Bakhtin showed that Science had a monologic (single-voiced) discourse, opposed to dialogic discourses of carnivals.