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Similarly, the Inquisition was motivated by faith and the church. So I'd say it's bit of a simplification and a cop-out really to leave that part out of the equation.
Sorry, but I cannot agree. You have the Bible, and that's it. Nothing, and absolutely nothing Jesus preached there can be a base for what the Inquisition did. No person or church has the monopoly over that. What Pope and (a part of) Catholic church did then is solely their own responsibility, as it should be, there can be no collective responsibility.

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Sorry, but I cannot agree. You have the Bible, and that's it. Nothing, and absolutely nothing Jesus preached there can be a base for what the Inquisition did. No person or church has the monopoly over that. What Pope and (a part of) Catholic church did then is solely their own responsibility, as it should be, there can be no collective responsibility.
How can you possibly say that faith did not motivate the Inquisition? It is so well documented. Whether or not you agree with their interpretation, it was religiously motivated. There are no ifs, ands, or buts.
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What if you support gay rights? Are you also a Christian then?

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Armstrong says in-competition testing will never catch anyone, only out-of-competition testing and the blood passport can.

Tennis has no blood passport system, and does basically no out of competition testing.

The methods and drugs used by Armstrong in 1999 would work in tennis right now, with zero chance of being caught (not slightly surprising to anyone familiar with the topic, btw).
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How can you possibly say that faith did not motivate the Inquisition? It is so well documented. Whether or not you agree with their interpretation, it was religiously motivated. There are no ifs, ands, or buts.
I'm saying what they did had nothing to do with what Jesus preached. They pretty much made their own twisted religion and acted accordingly.

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What if you support gay rights? Are you also a Christian then?
Certainly not. In fact, any who commit the evil of simply ignoring the plight of women and gay people are not true Christians. A proper Christian must go out of their way to destroy their rights. It's the Christian way.

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Your rabbits reminds me of the joke in Red Dwarf about the Seventh-Day Adventhoppists, whose source of inspiration came from a typo in the Bible: "Now abideth faith, hop, and charity, and of these the greatest is hop."
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Still think the bible is a great read. Fortunately most Christians don't take much of it literally.. just the basic stuff we should already know about to be genuinely good human beings. You'd have to be deluded to take everything written so long ago by people nobody in our society would be able to even remotely relate to, literally.

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What if you support gay rights? Are you also a Christian then?
I'm not an expert on Bible, but I don't remember Jesus asked anyone about their sexual orientation, so I guess it's safe to say that it's not really pertinent issue.

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I'm not an expert on Bible, but I don't remember Jesus asked anyone about their sexual orientation, so I guess it's safe to say that it's not really pertinent issue.
Jesus didn't comment on it, but God himself did say in the OT that homosexuality is an abomination, and Paul condemned it in the NT as well.

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I'm not an expert on Bible, but I don't remember Jesus asked anyone about their sexual orientation, so I guess it's safe to say that it's not really pertinent issue.
I always found it strange when Christians act as if only what Jesus said or done matters, don't they accept the OT as the word of God? don't they accept and worship the God of the OT? what did HE have to say about homosexuality?

after all according to Christians Jesus IS the God of the OT or at least his son

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I always found it strange when Christians act as if only what Jesus said or done matters, don't they accept the OT as the word of God? don't they accept and worship the God of the OT? what did HE have to say about homosexuality?

after all according to Christians Jesus IS the God of the OT or at least his son
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Jesus didn't comment on it, but God himself did say in the OT that homosexuality is an abomination, and Paul condemned it in the NT as well.
Well, a curious thing; lookie here:

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8:3 And the scribes and Pharisees brought unto him a woman taken in adultery; and when they had set her in the midst,
8:4 They say unto him, Master, this woman was taken in adultery, in the very act.
8:5 Now Moses in the law commanded us, that such should be stoned: but what sayest thou?
8:6 This they said, tempting him, that they might have to accuse him. But Jesus stooped down, and with his finger wrote on the ground, as though he heard them not.
8:7 So when they continued asking him, he lifted up himself, and said unto them, He that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone at her.
According to what you two say, Jesus here did what? Obviously he didn't do what Aloimeh's spiritual ancestors expected him to do, and you might even say he ignored and/or broke the law of the OT. Does that mean he's not a good Christian?

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Well, a curious thing; lookie here:

According to what you two say, Jesus here did what? Obviously he didn't do what Aloimeh's spiritual ancestors expected him to do, and you might even say he ignored and/or broke the law of the OT. Does that mean he's not a good Christian?
this is not relevant and you are evading the point we are making, were the laws of the OT once preached and applied or not? what did God and his prophets say about homosexuality? you are supposed to worship that same God, how can you worship and follow a God when you think he was wrong?

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this is not relevant and you are evading the point we are making, were the laws of the OT once preached and applied or not? what did God and his prophets say about homosexuality? you are supposed to worship that same God, how can you worship and follow a God when you think he was wrong?
Not relevant? Are you kidding? If what Jesus said is not relevant for Christians, I don't know what is It's very obvious that God himself did something there, that was completely against OT and the law. So I would conclude that not everything is black and white like you are so eager to prove.

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Not relevant? Are you kidding? If what Jesus said is not relevant for Christians, I don't know what is It's very obvious that God himself did something there, that was completely against OT and the law. So I would conclude that not everything is black and white like you are so eager to prove.
so he realized he was wrong and corrected himself some hundreds of years later? this is the God one is supposed to worship?

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Well, a curious thing; lookie here:



According to what you two say, Jesus here did what? Obviously he didn't do what Aloimeh's spiritual ancestors expected him to do, and you might even say he ignored and/or broke the law of the OT. Does that mean he's not a good Christian?
Jesus contradicted and corrected God. I mean himself... I mean God... I mean himself... aaaah!

Good luck coming to terms with that though. If Jesus himself contradicted God's teachings in the OT, what is the OT good for? And if the OT is the true word of God, what was that Jesus doing correcting it?

Of course, one might say God addresses humans differently according to the different periods of history. Still doesn't account for the cruelty of the OT. Seriously, read the Bible. From cover to cover. That bully just loves his killing...

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Armstrong says in-competition testing will never catch anyone, only out-of-competition testing and the blood passport can.

Tennis has no blood passport system, and does basically no out of competition testing.

The methods and drugs used by Armstrong in 1999 would work in tennis right now, with zero chance of being caught (not slightly surprising to anyone familiar with the topic, btw).
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