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noah you dumb piece of shit, no wonder the french hasnt won a slam since
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The Spanish authorities, especially the ones in cycling, are absolutely bananas indeed though... they did clear Contador because of the contaminated meat hypothesis, and his case is being heard next week in the Court of Arbitration for Sport. He might just escape though, since several sportsmen have been declared non-guilty after testing positive for the same substance. Not that I believe his excuse...

However, two days ago the same Spanish federation banned another Spanish rider, Mosquera, with the harshest punishment: 2 years, despite testing positive for a substance that is not really performance enhancing and not really in the list of true "positive substances".

They make no sense...
HES is a plasma-expander! That means it lowers Hb and Hct, which makes any blood testing except retics totally useless.

A two year ban is the only acceptable outcome.
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Ferrer on Noah's verbal deposition:

http://www.lavanguardia.com/deportes...ones-noah.html

"It shows utter ignorance in my opinion, for someone who used to play tennis and knows how the sport works to say such an atrocity... perhaps he said so without thinking"

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The Spanish authorities, especially the ones in cycling, are absolutely bananas indeed though... they did clear Contador because of the contaminated meat hypothesis, and his case is being heard next week in the Court of Arbitration for Sport. He might just escape though, since several sportsmen have been declared non-guilty after testing positive for the same substance. Not that I believe his excuse...

However, two days ago the same Spanish federation banned another Spanish rider, Mosquera, with the harshest punishment: 2 years, despite testing positive for a substance that is not really performance enhancing and not really in the list of true "positive substances".

They make no sense...
They only punish lesser known people.
Keep Rusedski, ban Chela.

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HES is a plasma-expander! That means it lowers Hb and Hct, which makes any blood testing except retics totally useless.

A two year ban is the only acceptable outcome.
HES is no performance enhancing drug, which is what I said.

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Armstrong says in-competition testing will never catch anyone, only out-of-competition testing and the blood passport can.

Tennis has no blood passport system, and does basically no out of competition testing.

The methods and drugs used by Armstrong in 1999 would work in tennis right now, with zero chance of being caught (not slightly surprising to anyone familiar with the topic, btw).
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They only punish lesser known people.
Keep Rusedski, ban Chela.
Mosquera was pretty well known though, having finished second in the Vuelta (where he tested positive).

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Armstrong says in-competition testing will never catch anyone, only out-of-competition testing and the blood passport can.

Tennis has no blood passport system, and does basically no out of competition testing.

The methods and drugs used by Armstrong in 1999 would work in tennis right now, with zero chance of being caught (not slightly surprising to anyone familiar with the topic, btw).
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President of Spanish Basket Federation instructed the federation's legal services to examine Noah's article in case legal action may be taken.

Manolo Santana says "only envy can explain" Noah's words, as "when someone craves for notoriety one way to get it is attacking great, superior institutions, such as Spanish sport is".

http://www.abc.es/20111119/deportes-...111191811.html
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Funny this very week Le Monde was sentenced by Spain Supreme Court to pay damages to FCBarcelona for linking it to dopping and Operación Puerto...

French media, always on the edge of ridicule and then stepping forward
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Mosquera was pretty well known though, having finished second in the Vuelta (where he tested positive).
So was Chela. Just not hugely famous

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HES is no performance enhancing drug, which is what I said.
So what, ? It's a masking agent. Do you understand what that means? You might as well refuse blood testing. It's no different.

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Pretty surprised he has said something like this, especially without offering any real proof or evidence
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So what, ? It's a masking agent. Do you understand what that means? You might as well refuse blood testing. It's no different.

I understand what that means. It means Mosquera was hiding EPO with that masking agent, just like his teammate Da Pena who, unlike Mosquera, tested positive for EPO.

What I was saying is that the Spanish federation is not consistent in their decisions (like most of them anyway) and that Mosquera tested positive for a substance that doesn't necessarily carry a full suspension. In fact, Oscar Sevilla tested positive for the same substance and was banned for... 6 months!

Now off you go into my ignore list again, Miss conspiracy theorist .

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Armstrong says in-competition testing will never catch anyone, only out-of-competition testing and the blood passport can.

Tennis has no blood passport system, and does basically no out of competition testing.

The methods and drugs used by Armstrong in 1999 would work in tennis right now, with zero chance of being caught (not slightly surprising to anyone familiar with the topic, btw).
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Noah accuses Spanish of doping

http://sports.yahoo.com/top/news;_yl...ap-doping-noah

Wow, this ain't gonna be pretty!
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