Somebody who is usully very loved but they do not deserve to be. The person can be from any country or any period of time. Is it a eligious person? or a country leader?
What Thatcher did was necessary and at least defensible, but the heartless manner in which she did it was unnecessarily divisive and extremely damaging and continues to be so.
By then the ''ally'' had signed an armistice and caved in to the Nazis. The French fleet in the hands of the Nazis would have been disastrous to Britain's ruling the waves and eventual goal of liberating France and the rest of Europe. The French were given enough warning and suggestions were made as to how the fleet could be saved.
Apparently French bumbling was to blame for the inability to act. The British ultimatum included the possibility of the fleet moving to American waters and this apparently was already ordered by Darlan for just such a future situation. However, it appears that the text of the ultimatum was not communicated from Gensoul to Darlan and a plan that was already considered suitable to the French was not executed due to these communication lapses.
2nd alinea is interesting. I didn't know I must admit. "American waters" means Caraibeans? What about the other habours? Mers El Kebir was not the only target.
Neither Pétain nor Darlan had any intention of sending the fleet over to the Germans and they never did it, they were waiting for the allies to come but, for some reason, Churchill and De Gaulle lied about the Armistice prior to Mers El Kebir.
The Blitz is no excuse for Dresden bombing (& others). And it would be ridiculous to name Hitler in a most over-loved person thread.
By the way Churchill and Franklin D. also betrayed the Chetniks in Serbia and supported Tito instead.
Tories would have done exactly the fucking same, though the Iraq conflict was an international issue rather than a domestic one so you have some point there.
How soon do some people forgive the Earl of Bute, that rascal who was the first tory(!!) (oh dear, oh dear, now I've said that awfull word).
Or should I choose the duke of Grafton, who allowed the French to keep Corsica, ignoring that frogs may become dangerous when under the spell of a Corsican hound?
And besides, Blair in any case would be the worst prime minister in post-British history, he would never have made it anywhere near Downing street when the globe was still a healthy pink (Chorister School in Durham my foot... wonder if they even have a school-tie).
Blair's disliked cause he does come across as very right-wing, but he ran a left-wing party. Basically no one would vote Labour while they had such a socialist identity except in the working class areas like mine, so he repackaged the whole thing as New Labour and it won him three straight elections. He'd arguably have beaten Cameron pretty comfortably if he'd stayed too.
Despite being the most Tory-esque of all Labour PMs, the blue lot still hate him the most cause he annihilated them like no one else ever had.
It does seem that Thatcher is a lot more hated by people who didn't live under the preceding Labour government, compared to those who did. Maggie played hardball and a lot of people suffered, but it's hard to argue that Britain didn't come out the other end of the Thatcher era far better off than when she started. A large number of the things she did desperately needed to be done - even if she did them with an iron fist rather than a velvet glove.
Aside from a couple of coalminers and trade unionists, I don't think I've ever met a British person who was of working age prior to her coming to power who doesn't have at least some degree of grudging respect for her achievements. People forget how crippled and moribund the British economy was in those days.
Sinatra, Dean Martin, Kouchner, Bernard-Henri Levy, Hitchens, Cohn-Bendit, Attali, Joschka Fischer, George Marshall, Bill Clinton (though rightly not much loved by many I think), Albright, Carter, Kasparov (though respect for the chess champion), Picasso, Amnesty Internional (the whole thing), Greenpeace (same), Kerry, Jacques Delors, Harold McMillan, Sartre, Camus, Spielberg, De Palma, Borg, Prodi, etc.
Just re-read my contribution to this thread. I was a better troll back then...
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