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Genetic maybe? You may as well ask why evolution does not explain albinoism.

In fact, you could say that homosexuality is a by-product of evolution - we are not all clones.
What gene? And why would it be selected for?

Albinism is the result of a defect in well characterized genes that control melanin production, transport, expression, etc. It usually is lethal in the wild. And it is passed down from generation to generation. None of this is true of homosexuality.

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I don't think evolution and religion (including Christianity maybe) are incompatible. I think some people in here are arguing for evolution in an attempt to refute God, while another poster is supporting evolution to defend the idea of a God. I think there is quite good evidence in my mind for both evolution and God.

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1.) I have no idea how they came up with that number. I suppose it is.

it has nothing to do with the Genesis account and its spiritual and moral implications.
You have been informed in this thread how ''they'' came up with this number. What you mean is that you don't care how, because the Genesis account is more reliable and takes precedence over worldly evidence.

Similarly I have no idea how the Genesis account got written. But if you want to tell me about the documentation of its origin, I'll listen. Who, when, where and how?

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Aw, now it all comes together. So your motivations for hating Christianity and God - and your attempts to refute God's very existence - are clear to all.

Do elaborate.
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Do elaborate.
Maybe not. We all know how a certain demographic wields, shall I say, disproportional clout on this forum. I've been punished for being candid on that subject before. I won't have you ensnare me into that little game.

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if a Christian fundamentalist wouldn't even yield the young Earth concept in the bible, one can only imagine what they think of homosexuals according to a fundamental understanding of the bible

scary that people like this still dwell among us, but that's what religion does when taken seriously

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Maybe not. We all know how a certain demographic wields, shall I say, disproportional clout on this forum. I've been punished for being candid on that subject before. I won't have you ensnare me into that little game.
I see. Not only are your ideas those of a retrograde fucking retard, your also a hypocritical hateful coward.

The worse kind of Christian. God will spit in your face before sending you to hell.
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I don't have problems with evolution. I only have problems with people who think evolution is the ONLY way of explaining our entire life. I think people should look into many different concepts before coming up with conclusions.

This is kind of like Western medicine vs. Eastern medicine. The West tries to pass off Eastern medicine as something "phony" when in recent times it has been equally if not superior to Western medicine in some domains. The concepts of disease are also treated differently in both cultures.

I also think it's stupid to bundle up all Christian groups into one. I think this is unfair. Some Christians are more open minded than others, the same with Muslims, Jews, and people of other faiths and values.

The bottom line is, you have to explore what's out there and available. Don't use one method or strategy to explain everything.
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Come again? I made absolutely no such claim or suggestion.

Any given reigning ideology, however true or false, is usually supported by a host of personal and political interests. These interests typically serve to "strongly discourage" any elements that may challenge the reigning ideology. This is not a commentary on how scientifically well-supported evolution is or is not, or on how "honest" scientists are; it is merely a statement of how establishment ideology functions.

Surely this is not such a novel or controversial notion?




The argument on the table involved specific biological phenomena that evolution cannot apparently account for. Aloimeh could concede for the sake of argument that the earth is as old as you like and it would fail to have any effect on the objection at hand.




If the scientific community is ''suppressing'' evidence against evolution, then I would call that a conspiracy.

Aloimeh seems to have backed away from the age of the earth question, but from reading his posts I think he still means to say that life on earth must still conform to the young earth biblical interpretation. Which, if true, would mean he has really painted himself into a corner, because the fossilized life is found within rocks which he now concedes may be billions of years old. I see no way to argue that the fossils are younger than the rocks they are found in.

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The bottom line is, you have to explore what's out there and available. Don't use one method or strategy to explain everything.
if you know another scientific rival theory to the theory of evolution by natural selection, please do inform us

and no, intelligent design isn't a scientific theory

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This thread makes my head hurt. So much stupidity to contend with.
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I see. Not only are your ideas those of a retrograde fucking retard, your also a hypocritical hateful coward.

The worse kind of Christian. God will spit in your face before sending you to hell.
Let's see, a Serb Biblical literalist evolution-rejecting scientist-in-training Christian who likes Djokovic and thinks homosexuality is wrong...I'm your worst nightmare.

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Let's see, a Serb Biblical literalist evolution-rejecting scientist-in-training Christian who likes Djokovic and thinks homosexuality is wrong...I'm your worst nightmare.
No, you are really something else.

But you are one of the worst type of human beings. And supporting Djokovic is the least of your concerns.
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if you know another scientific rival theory to the theory of evolution by natural selection, please do inform us

and no, intelligent design isn't a scientific theory
Please don't insert concepts into people's mouths. Nobody brought up intelligent design.

And second, I believe in elements of microevolution, but in regards to macroevolution, I'm skeptical about some of the explanations.
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Please don't insert concepts into people's mouths. Nobody brought up intelligent design.

And second, I believe in elements of microevolution, but in regards to macroevolution, I'm skeptical about some of the explanations.
You do realise that the processes of microevolution and macroevolution are identical, don't you? You are currently spouting ignorant creationist nonsense. They too fail to recognise the superficial distinction between microevolution and macroevolution.
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