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post #1 of 65 (permalink) Old 09-23-2011, 10:04 PM Thread Starter
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Question What do you think of Palestinian statehood bid

Asking for a country in 67 borders, peacefully in the UN. Don't you think it is good for peace and everyone including Israelis?
Have you seen Mr. Abas speech?

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Re: What do you think of Palestinian statehood bid

Mr Barak Hussein Obama said NO, so whatever we think is utterly irrelevant.
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Re: What do you think of Palestinian statehood bid

No statehood, no peace.

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I think it is the best Abbas can do. He is forcing the USA and Israel to say 'No' infront of the whole world. It decreases their credibility and shows their real faces. Both countries fail to stick to their own politics, which isoltes them more and more from the rest of the world. Israel's support by other countries and credibility is decreasing by the day. Abbas and Turkey need to continue the pressure on Israel. You can already feel how they start to crack down. Their time has come.
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Re: What do you think of Palestinian statehood bid

The Palestinians should have a state. End of story. All the UN bid is going to do is show beyond all doubt that the US has no credibility left as a non-partisan interlocutor.

I'll be interested to see how the European nations on the Security Council vote. If France and UK support it will make the US look even worse. Germany seems certain not to vote for it.



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The Palestinians should have a state. End of story. All the UN bid is going to do is show beyond all doubt that the US has no credibility left as a non-partisan interlocutor.

I'll be interested to see how the European nations on the Security Council vote. If France and UK support it will make the US look even worse. Germany seems certain not to vote for it.
The Palestinian government called Bin Laden a hero for all the things he did and hoped to do. That includes killing you and me.

The poor Palestinians are now just the puppets of Iran and Iran is devoted to the destruction of Israel.
I say give Palestine a state when Germany and the Arab nations give the Jews back the homes and lands they were evicted from.

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Israel are occupying land they have no right to. Israel are bulldozing palestinian homes and building racially pure, jewish only colonies and putting the homeless palestinians in conce... eh, "refugee camps". Israel are treating the palestinians like sub-humans. The West bank and Gaza are akin to king sized, nazi ghettos. Buddyholly would probably have supported the colonial powers against the native "terrorists" and the nazis against the polish resistance movement. The SS had a right to defend themselves!
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Re: What do you think of Palestinian statehood bid

Give them statehood.

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The Palestinians hope that full or partial U.N. recognition of Palestine as an independent state could give them the power to bring the Israeli government or its officials before war-crimes tribunals or sue them in other global venues.

Israeli officials warn with increasing alarm that the waging of such "lawfare" would isolate the Jewish state and prevent its civilian and military leaders from traveling abroad out of fear they'd be arrested as war criminals.
The palenstinians will have legal rights, this is good for any people.

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Israel are occupying land they have no right to. Israel are bulldozing palestinian homes and building racially pure, jewish only colonies and putting the homeless palestinians in conce... eh, "refugee camps". Israel are treating the palestinians like sub-humans. The West bank and Gaza are akin to king sized, nazi ghettos. Buddyholly would probably have supported the colonial powers against the native "terrorists" and the nazis against the polish resistance movement. The SS had a right to defend themselves!
What is their alternative against being surrounded by people whose stated aim is to wipe them off the map?
I think it very ironic that when the UN was founded to stop something like the holocaust ever happening again, it has now evolved to where we have the leader of Iran stand on its podium and declare the holocaust never happened, the USA caused both world wars, 9/11 was an inside job etc.

Your post refers to me, but my post referred to the expulsion of Jews from Germany, the expulsion of Jews from surrounding Arab states, the Palestinian leader claiming Bin Laden was a hero of our times, and the Palestinians now being puppets of Iran's criminal regime. Those parallels and the kind of country now on Israel's borders are conveniently ignored by people who pile on Israel. Syria, killing its own citizens. Iran, killing its own citizens. Saudi Arabia, ruled by despots that could not care less about human rights.

Equating the West bank to a Nazi ghetto just shows you have no grasp of reality at all. The Nazi ghettos, if you recall, were to keep people in. Suggesting that I would have supported the Nazis just indicates how ridiculous your arguments are. I am a bit ashamed of even replying to your claims. But unfortunately, the way of the least persuasive posters on MTF is just to slur the poster with lies and ignore the content of the post. If I were to claim that you probably would consider the holocaust to have been a necessary cleansing and the present objective of the Palestinians to continue the good works of the holocaust a laudable mission, I would be rightly accused of being an idiot. But you probably think that attempting to do the same to me was ''clever.'' Some of my relatives fought and died against the Nazis, so what you suggest, I think, is vile. I guess I will forgive your youth and lack of perspective.

So, preferably without the diversion of putting ridiculous thoughts in my head, do you have any comment on the roughly 800,000 Jews that were kicked out of surrounding Arab countries simply for being Jews? Where should they go? Should Israel be wiped off the map, as the Iranian leader proposed? And BTW, your post talks about building racially pure, Jewish colonies. If true, wouldn't that just be an adaptation to Middle Eastern ways?

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Yes the Palestine's should have statehood. Even if that means the destruction of Israel.

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Give them statehood.



The palenstinians will have legal rights, this is good for any people.
Do you mean they will enjoy the same legal rights as the Iranian, Saudi, and Syrian people? Wow, I bet they can't wait. It has been a joy to citizens of those countries to be able to express their opinions freely. They just have do it alone in a small locked room with no windows.

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Yes the Palestine's should have statehood. Even if that means the destruction of Israel.
An honest opinion, at least.

But isn't it an equally persuasive argument is that the Israelis should have security, even if it means the destruction of Iran, Syria and the Palestinians?

From all the reasons you have given you might even argue that since there are more Israelis than Palestinians, the simplest solution would be the destruction of Palestine.

I think it is more complicated than that.

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Do you mean they will enjoy the same legal rights as the Iranian, Saudi, and Syrian people? Wow, I bet they can't wait. It has been a joy to citizens of those countries to be able to express their opinions freely. They just have do it alone in a small locked room with no windows.
Isreal may have problems with this statehood bid by the Palenstinians but you can't keep people down for your own gain, it shows Israel's character which is plain to see for the world.

They are trying to deny the Palenstinians their rights, as they always had.
If Israel goes down it's good, we don't need these kind of regimes that take away rights from people.

It doesn't matter how the palenstinians express their opinions, but they have the right to do so.

I'd like to see you walk in their shoes for awhile.


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They are trying to deny the Palenstinians their rights, as they always had.
If Israel goes down it's good, we don't need these kind of regimes that take away rights from people.
You mean the right to annihilate them?

I must have missed your call that it would be good for Syria, Iran, Yemen, Saudi Arabia, Zimbabwe, North Korea, Cuba, China, Pakistan, Eritrea, Somalia and 100 others to ''go down.'' But who would we give them to?

My position has not been that Israel is a model state, but a confusion as to why all the people who call for Israel's downfall prefer to ignore the situation in countless other countries around the world that make the Israelis look like saints. That is what I do not understand. No, I would not like to walk in the Palestinian's shoes right now, but it is fairly meaningless for you to say that you would like to see me walk in the Palestinians' shoes for a while at the same time you fret less about walking in the shoes of a much, much greater number the world's population that is in much more dire straits. And fervently wish to give the Palestinian the right to walk in the shoes of a regime like Syria or Iran. I doubt the West Bank Palestinians would even want that in exchange for what they have now. It only leads me to suspect that the putting of Israel on top of the list of human rights violators has an agenda other than just human rights violation.

So that is basically my problem. Why Israel? And if it is because other countries have the right to do what they please within their own borders, I would remind you that the same UN that is being asked to support the destruction of Israel is the same UN that gave birth to Israel. The fact that the borders may have changed because of aggression against Israel since its inception does not make Israel illegitimate.

And as for my post that actually was about Palestinians being the puppets of states where it is not permitted to express one's own opinions and where people don't have rights, you just chose to ignore addressing that. I understand that it would be difficult to say that the Palestinians need to live in a state like Iran or Syria where they would be able to enjoy all the human rights they want. So best just to ignore that part, right?

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You mean the right to annihilate them?

I must have missed your call that it would be good for Syria, Iran, Yemen, Saudi Arabia, Zimbabwe, North Korea, Cuba, China, Pakistan, Eritrea, Somalia and 100 others to ''go down.'' But who would we give them to?
There's a lot of problem areas in the world, but we're talking about Israel and Palenstine.

I don't care what happens to Israel, just that Palenstine gets statehood.

Israel is already talking about having problems with some of it's people in power not being able to leave because they have been convicted of war crimes. This looks very close to an admission to me, don't you think?


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