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Article: English Proficiency: Countries That Speak The Best English

Not a surprise Norden and the Netherlands have the highest level of proficiency. Too bad Iceland wasn't included in this survey.

See it helps that TV and movies aren't dubbed into the native languages, using subtitles while hearing the original language.

No, this is not totally accurate apart from the top nations. Japan they have 20 years and not many can speak it. India the upper and middle classes which is around 250 million speak English, definitely have a higher level than China.



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English Proficiency: Countries That Speak The Best English

Anybody who has ever traveled or lived outside the US has stories of amusing English bloopers. One of my favorites was meeting a Chinese teenager who proudly gave himself the English name "Ad Lib," in tribute to "Freedom." While Ad Lib was certainly a grander name than other self given names, it isn't uncommon to come across given names like "Fluffy," "Meat," and "Bacon" (These are real people, I assure you. Just not native English speakers). But English is no laughing matter. We've found that English language skills have some serious impact on national economic and social development.

In the same vein as the Happiness Index or the Big Mac Index, the EF English Proficiency Index (EF EPI) takes into account English skills around the world, ranking 44 countries. The following slideshow highlights the index's most interesting findings. For more information, check out www.ef.com/epi.

http://www.ef-australia.com.au/epi/ef-epi-ranking/

On Nadal bumping him on the changeover, Rosol said: "It's ok, he wanted to take my concentration; I knew he would try something".


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How the fuck is Japan at "moderate proficiency"? Last time I was there NO ONE could speak proper English and most people only knew a few English words (without any idea how to apply them) for trying to impress the gaijin or to simply sound cool. I had to speak Japanese at Narita airport customs, to a taxi driver and at the hotel, which is shocking considering it's Chiba prefecture. I won't even mention that going shopping for food without basic knowledge of Japanese in Narita was basically impossible. I sent my friend to buy some food and he bought a stick of bread with chocolate inside.
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I am surprised English is that accessible in the Netherlands when I was there last Christmas - no one shrugged off when I asked them for directions for example(never been to Norway though). And indeed, I struggled to find people speaking English in Russia - a friggin' nightmare

But Where is Singapore ?
and Poland over Hong Kong ?

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In Japan, they learn all the grammar terms to pass an exam, but can't speak.

On Nadal bumping him on the changeover, Rosol said: "It's ok, he wanted to take my concentration; I knew he would try something".


Wilander on Dimitrov - "He has mind set on imitating Federer and yes it looks good. But he has no idea what to do on the court".

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I definitely would have preferred Gaba winning as he needs the points much more, but Jan would have beaten him anyway. I expect Hajek to destroy Machado, like 6-1 6-2.
Machado wins 6-2 6-1
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It's pretty accurate (except Japan). No one in Italy is able to put together three or four English words with some kind of sense. The main problem is that Northern Italy is invaded by Southern Italian pseudo-teachers who aren't able not only to speak English but even Italian 'cos they speak only Neapolitan or some Southern dialect who sounds like Arab.

The huge problem of English learning in Italy is the complete absence of good teachers. The second problem is that in general Italians do not want to study and train themselves, so I think I have totally forgot what I learned in my First Certificate in English of the Cambridge University that I took seven years ago with an Australian teacher..

This is really bad because it's another reason why all of Italy is ridiculous even compared to third-world countries. Having traveled around all Europe I generally agree with that map, Scandinavian countries (with the fundamental exception of Finland, whose people speak an incomprehensive English because of their non-indoeuropean native languate I think), Germany, the Netherlands, Belgium and Austria are all countries in which I have always used my shitty English and they always tried to interact with me with a perfect English.. in Spain I am used to talk in Italian, we speak different languages but if we start to talk in English we only end up with an enormous confusion

Talking about France I don't know, 'cos generally if a Frenchman understands that you're Italian starts to intentionally forget all of his English and starts to speak only French.. for some reason they hate Italy, so usually the first thing I say to them it's that I hate Italy more than them.. even the last week in Monte Carlo I used this technique and it worked really well
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In Japan, they learn all the grammar terms to pass an exam, but can't speak.
Yeah. Actually in my first two years at the university I studied the Japanese language and the 30% of it is made up by English words.. English incomprehensible words, like "shattsu" (shirt) and "ueru dan" (well done, speaking about food). And of course they invent a lot of pseudo-english words: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wasei-eigo. The bad consequence of this is that if they have to tell you "William Shakespeare" they won't try to pronounce it like an Englishman would do, but they will pronounce it adapted to the Japanese system, romanized in "Uiriamu Sheikusupia"..

Seriously speaking, my former Japanese teacher from Tokyo has been living in Italy since 1970 and he had serious problems even with Italian.. you can't imagine how bad was his English
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If they want to travel in other countries, americans or australians may learn the native language, and not expect everybody to speak english like them. They can't spell 2 words in other language and they criticize anybody who doesn't speak perfect english. :retard:
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Yeah. Actually in my first two years at the university I studied the Japanese language and the 30% of it is made up by English words.. English incomprehensible words, like "shattsu" (shirt) and "ueru dan" (well done, speaking about food). And of course they invent a lot of pseudo-english words: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wasei-eigo. The bad consequence of this is that if they have to tell you "William Shakespeare" they won't try to pronounce it like an Englishman would do, but they will pronounce it adapted to the Japanese system, romanized in "Uiriamu Sheikusupia"..

Seriously speaking, my former Japanese teacher from Tokyo has been living in Italy since 1970 and he had serious problems even with Italian.. you can't imagine how bad was his English
Topspindoctor made some references to it. I mean I have a Japanese friend from Sapporo who speaks English quite well. He hated that they fed all this grammar stuff, how can you learn to speak if you have to think about all the terms before speaking.

Your mate Seppi speaks English well, then again he is from South Tyrol and I do know some South Tyroleans who prefer to use English than Italian as a 2nd language.

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If they want to travel in other countries, americans or australians may learn the native language, and not expect everybody to speak english like them. They can't spell 2 words in other language and they criticize anybody who doesn't speak perfect english. :retard:
Wah, wah, wah it's has nothing to do with that at all.

On Nadal bumping him on the changeover, Rosol said: "It's ok, he wanted to take my concentration; I knew he would try something".


Wilander on Dimitrov - "He has mind set on imitating Federer and yes it looks good. But he has no idea what to do on the court".

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I definitely would have preferred Gaba winning as he needs the points much more, but Jan would have beaten him anyway. I expect Hajek to destroy Machado, like 6-1 6-2.
Machado wins 6-2 6-1
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for some reason they hate Italy, so usually the first thing I say to them it's that I hate Italy more than them..
which part of Italy do you hate the most? the northern or the southern?
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at least prima donna was smart, and where's Greece?
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and Poland over Hong Kong ?
Plenty of schools with British-English in Poland...

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Interesting read but quite long
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at least prima donna was smart, and where's Greece?
I didn't do the study, there should be an address to contact them.

On Nadal bumping him on the changeover, Rosol said: "It's ok, he wanted to take my concentration; I knew he would try something".


Wilander on Dimitrov - "He has mind set on imitating Federer and yes it looks good. But he has no idea what to do on the court".

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I definitely would have preferred Gaba winning as he needs the points much more, but Jan would have beaten him anyway. I expect Hajek to destroy Machado, like 6-1 6-2.
Machado wins 6-2 6-1
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Yeah. Actually in my first two years at the university I studied the Japanese language and the 30% of it is made up by English words.. English incomprehensible words, like "shattsu" (shirt) and "ueru dan" (well done, speaking about food). And of course they invent a lot of pseudo-english words: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wasei-eigo. The bad consequence of this is that if they have to tell you "William Shakespeare" they won't try to pronounce it like an Englishman would do, but they will pronounce it adapted to the Japanese system, romanized in "Uiriamu Sheikusupia"..

Seriously speaking, my former Japanese teacher from Tokyo has been living in Italy since 1970 and he had serious problems even with Italian.. you can't imagine how bad was his English
Yes, it's quite disgraceful actually. "Engrish" has taken over and bastardized English words written in katakana are everywhere. Even words for which a perfect Japanese word exists tends to be replaced by pseudo English atrocities.

Hilarious thing is, a typical Japanese person won't understand English words no matter how alike they sound to a Japanese version. For instance when I said the word "bus", I got blank looks, but when you say "basu" it all becomes clear.

Another huge frustration for a gaijin in Japan is that some people are so bewildered when you address them in Japanese that they totally lose the plot. For instance at the train station I asked: "Tsugi no densha wa nanji ni tsukimasu ka?" or "what time does the next train arrive?" - the guy looked confused for about a minute, finally he pulled out a notepad and wrote down the time and showed it to me. It's both funny and annoying
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