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"The unexamined life is not worth living." - Socrates

Welcome to the philosophers cafe! This site is meant to discuss all that which cannot be discussed in full by science, history and experience.

This thread is meant to spark sporadic conversation on issues concerning philosophy, morality among other rather "gray" issues.

I think I good way to start would be to ask a question on a philosophical related question, and then have the poster person respond and perhaps then ask another question regarding another philosophical issue, or continue with the discussion at hand, this is not to be confused with ask the replier a question, because it is limited to more narrow questions.

Having said that, feel at home and lets have a great discussion.

I will begin.

I am not too sure that punishment for crimes that are severe (murder, ****, etc.) are useful. Some people do. What do you think and why?

It's always Night, or we wouldn't need Light. - Thelonius Monk (via Thomas Pynchon)

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awesome stuff Manu. i wish you continued success with this thread. its an idea whose time had come.

i am funny about crime. the bible says "an eye for en eye". i say a head for an eye if its proven beyond a shadow of a doubt. that is the only way to deter crime and to have a more lasting effect. there are endless studies out there which suggest that better than 1/2 of the criminals go right back to the life of crime after serving out their sentences. why should innocent people and the society keep bearing these costs over and over again?

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Good stuff CD.

They also say an eye for an eye leaves everyone blind, yet we still have the other one.

It seems to me self-punishment is more effective than external ones....

Good stuff CD, post away.

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what up manu the magnificent.

one thing i would do--in talking about deterrents to crime--is to look at countries where there is little or no toleration for crime.

and where is Habs when we need him? Habs what are your thoughts on this?
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Well it has to do with an educated society I think.

The more the people "know" why a crime is wrong, the less likely they will do what we consider bad behavior.

But forcing people into this position is not necessarily a good idea, it should come naturally rather than through law enforcement.

And yes, tell Habib to post his thoughts on this question here, and also to post a question, his perspective is quite interesting.

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Is there a more beautiful way of life than that of the Hunter and gatherers? This is the way we lived in the very earliest history of our species.



Agriculture has paved the way for staggering developments, but I feel that as our resourcefulness has given us an ever more dominant role on our planet, our sense of balance for the nature hasn't been able to keep up with the pace.
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It is a nice concept no doubt, but being in touch with nature also has its hazards, and if you are not ready for it, nature can be quite deadly. Romantasicing such notions can be dangerous for those without experience.

Which brings to an important question: are we adequately adapted to live in the modern society we live in given the short amount of time we have lived in cities relative to human history? In other words, are we not better off in smaller places in order to achieve a more decent way of life?

(And I am not referring to hunter-gatherers, which is a different story altogether)

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It is a nice concept no doubt, but being in touch with nature also has its hazards, and if you are not ready for it, nature can be quite deadly. Romantasicing such notions can be dangerous for those without experience.
Naturally, but it's not yet possible to not be in touch with mother nature at all, and the Earth is constantly reminding us how little we should take for granted in our belief that we are an entity severed from the rest of nature.

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Which brings to an important question: are we adequately adapted to live in the modern society we live in given the short amount of time we have lived in cities relative to human history? In other words, are we not better off in smaller places in order to achieve a more decent way of life?

(And I am not referring to hunter-gatherers, which is a different story altogether)
As we have undergone very little physiological change since we came about as a species, there's bound to be consequences when our surroundings have changed so dramatically. I'm mainly talking about the mental mindset here, and the different circumstances it has to cope with regarding stress. There's also the availability of food and sugar 24/7 leading to diabetes and obesity. We keep our houses too clean which leads to allergies, etc etc. The examples can be carried on with in absurdum.
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Hello Manuel...it's a sacrilege to put Jesus among people that REALLY existed.

More nature and less humans

justin bieber is not the best in history.
funk was better than rap.
techno not better than classic rock.

numbers are not everything.
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Hello Manuel...it's a sacrilege to put Jesus among people that REALLY existed.

More nature and less humans
He may or may have not existed just like Socrates.

There is no evidence of his existence besides what Aristotle said.

The point is that they are both figures that had important things to say, whether they were real or not adds to the philosophical domain.

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He may or may have not existed just like Socrates.

There is no evidence of his existence besides what Aristotle said.

The point is that they are both figures that had important things to say, whether they were real or not adds to the philosophical domain.
Jesus is a mythical figure in the tradition of pagan mythology and almost nothing in all of ancient literature would lead one to believe otherwise. Anyone wanting to believe Jesus lived and walked as a real live human being must do so despite the evidence, not because of it.

-C. Dennis McKinsey, Bible critic (The Encyclopedia of Biblical Errancy)
http://www.nobeliefs.com/exist.htm

it's impossible for Jesus to have existed...the story IS NOT ORIGINAL and was used by the egyptians 10,000 years ago.

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This is what they should teach at school if they had an ounce of honesty...

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This is what they should teach at school if they had an ounce of honesty...

http://paganizingfaithofyeshua.netfirms.com/
This is good and I agree to a very large extent worth discussing with people who would disagree.

But you know me.

Either way, Jesus is in great rivalry with others as the prophet. Does not matter in terms of what they say as philosophy is concerned, but it is important if they do stress bad actions.

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Is there a more beautiful way of life than that of the Hunter and gatherers? This is the way we lived in the very earliest history of our species.



Agriculture has paved the way for staggering developments, but I feel that as our resourcefulness has given us an ever more dominant role on our planet, our sense of balance for the nature hasn't been able to keep up with the pace.
Isn't there a wider question here about not just urbanisation and whether we're geared for it and whether it can satisfy our basic needs and desires, but also into areas like our eating habits and lifestyles, our work environments, our social structures, such as marriage, monogamy, our civic structures, etc.

All of these things have changed beyond all recognition in the space of, in most of them, just a couple of hundred years.
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Interesting stuff, Manu.
But as you know, I rather take my ideas on humanity on PM and MSN.

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