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Switzerland referendum on banning Minarets

This is horrible news. The BBC is reporting that even though initially the referendum was going to lose, exit polls show that Swiss voters have accepted the ban on Minarets.

I'm not a Muslim but the world seems to be going one step forward and two steps back.

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My friend went to work to Switzerland for the summer and was shocked to see that many Swiss are racists. I think it's not about religion. They view Muslims as a different race. If it was about religion, they could suggest to close synagoges for example?

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A true shame, at least my canton was one of the four to be against...
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Sanity prevails -- Americans and Italians would do well to follow a similar path. Sarkozy's ban on burkas is a model to be emulated by leaders and policymakers alike.
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So much for neutrality.

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Prayer calls urbi et orbi as they're done in muslim countries would be entirely out of place in Europe, so there is no need for any minaret whatsoever. Mosques aren't forbiden, i understand, so it's a mere question of urban landscape. The Swiss are right.
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Mosques are not at all forbidden, and everyone is welcome to practice their religion. The country has no history of Islam, has the right to exercise its concerns over "Islamicization" (without at all condemning Muslims practising their religion) and the vote has been fair.
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So much for neutrality.
Nah, sounds you like may not really know what Swiss neutrality refers to.

There are votes all over the world that are disgusting to others (i.e, people from other countries) -- we hated the re-election of GWB for instance. But, had to live with it.
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Nah, sounds you like may not really know what Swiss neutrality refers to.

There are votes all over the world that are disgusting to others (i.e, people from other countries) -- we hated the re-election of GWB for instance. But, had to live with it.
It originally referred to their historic neutrality during European wars of the past.

I made a reference that perhaps the Swiss are neutral in most things. I guess not.

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A true shame, at least my canton was one of the four to be against...
So was mine, but we can't buy anything from that. We just have to watch now that we can make the best out of it, but we have to accept the vote

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I agree that it's not a ban on Mosques or Islam at all but why just this religious symbol?

There are Hindu temples with particular architecture, Jewish synagogues and other such institutions with their own distinctive features so why not ban those as well.

In such times instead of embracing other cultures and trying to pacify tensions the world just wants to create more divisions.
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The Swiss really are a special people...

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I agree that it's not a ban on Mosques or Islam at all but why just this religious symbol?

There are Hindu temples with particular architecture, Jewish synagogues and other such institutions with their own distinctive features so why not ban those as well.

In such times instead of embracing other cultures and trying to pacify tensions the world just wants to create more divisions.
Well, this is not a black and white issue. This is why it was debated and put to referendum, so that it reflects the majority opinion. There are other issues underlying this. It is not just building a physical structure, it is the possibility that it reflects something more, and also safeguarding against the possibility of the introduction of Sharia law into the country which would be incompatible with Swiss laws. You may or may not have followed how this has developed in the U.K, France, and other European countries.

For whatever it's worth, there has been a lot of tension in the Euro area and Europe more generally, regarding various issues of Islam. People in Switzerland should feel free to look at these issues and ask whether they want to take a step that (may or may not-- who knows?) safeguard against those problems in their own countries.

Funny, you from India are mentioning this. Babri Mosque was demolished by Hindus there, no? Hardly an "embracing of other cultures".
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Well, this is not a black and white issue. This is why it was debated and put to referendum, so that it reflects the majority opinion. There are other issues underlying this. It is not just building a physical structure, it is the possibility that it reflects something more, and also safeguarding against the possibility of the introduction of Sharia law into the country which would be incompatible with Swiss laws. You may or may not have followed how this has developed in the U.K, France, and other European countries.

For whatever it's worth, there has been a lot of tension in the Euro area and Europe more generally, regarding various issues of Islam. People in Switzerland should feel free to look at these issues and ask whether they want to take a step that (may or may not-- who knows?) safeguard against those problems in their own countries.

Funny, you from India are mentioning this. Babri Mosque was demolished by Hindus there, no? Hardly an "embracing of other cultures".
This isn't a black and white issue no. And debates are always good rather than keeping everything in the dark.

I don't understand what a sign of religion has to do with Sharia law being introduced into law. As I said earlier, I'm for separation of church and state but that means not including the positives or negatives.

I love how for some reason people love to throw "but your country does this too" (this happened in another thread as well). Did I mention anywhere that I was proud of what was done? The Babri Masjid demolition was absolutely despicable. And sadly that wasn't even the latest tirade with the Gujarat riots in 2002. That doesn't mean we don't need to learn from others mistakes. I showed my power by voting against the government which allowed those riots to happen and partook in those acts.

My point to opening the thread isn't against Switzerland but the world in general. Open your mind a little and stop acting childish in saying "You did it as well". I'm open for a civil discussion without throwing insults against countries without getting context.
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