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awesome!! how was the experience? why did you quit it??

wider.. ive written just for pleasure about politics.. and I also used to keep a travel journal.. i pretty much enjoy writing..

of course, if i have to choose, ill write about tennis but then again.. i really fancy writing about almost everything
newspapers I worked in got terminated. it was all a hoax to clean some dirty money I think. it was solid papers for those circumstances and the crew I worked with in city-edition was real good with great editor. but ultimately it wasnt for me, I went back to faculty, so... all in all, great experience and loads of fun.

thing I figured out, is that best journalists are those who have their zone of interest. there are many bullshit-ers who want to 'express' themselves, but writing is like 10 percent of this profession, rest is information, or beter - the ability to reach information. that can best be done through detailed knowledge of a particular field.

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Journalism as a career is a lie.
can be but is not always. looking at some examples, it can be a fantastic job. not everybody is for that though. I think journalists (and perhaps cops) have the lowest 'life expectancy' rate in the world. its the stress that often goes to booze and fags.

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ok..

-a lie
-stress
-no pay
-no steady job


dont worry Im not let down by this

I still believe some succeed.. and I feel I ll be one of those. None in my class has a paper published.. I have 2.. even though they re as small as a rice bean

Moreover, today during a field work, I was the only one clever enough to print the survey we had to do (I thought it'd look better) and got a lot of attention from the professor for that. I was told that by some classmates I cant believe people actually find that a highlight

regarging Palermo and the 3 penalties.. yeah I know it is a story but if you compare winning a grand slam to missing 3 penalties on a practise session on a given wednesday.. I kind of stay with the Grand Slam story.. especially when your country had only 6, and 4 coming from a man in the 70s...

Now it's 7

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can be but is not always. looking at some examples, it can be a fantastic job. not everybody is for that though. I think journalists (and perhaps cops) have the lowest 'life expectancy' rate in the world. its the stress that often goes to booze and fags.
What I mean is: anyone can be a journalist. Journalism as a course doesn't teach you anything special. I feel someone who studied literature probably could be a much better journalist. Also, anyone who can write well can be a journalist, provided that person has a chance.
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Ray, I don't want to scare you, but the better you are the more enemies you'll have and it's possible you come to the point the influential people who used to help you will see you as a threat. People will talk shit about you behind your back or will demand sex from you (ok, maybe not from you) and when they close one of the papers due to the traditional media crisis (things moving to the internet) you may stay without a job even for a few months. I'm 23 and I've been writing for a living for the last 5 years. Been literally everywhere. I can't believe I was so naive and wanted to drop my law school for doing full time journalism because I was published and made money off it. No. You do need a second job, or do it like shotgun said. You'll also see how much independence it gives you - you'll never be forced to crawl in front of the editor or write the way somebody tells you to write. Gu makes a lot of sense with what he says. Journalists are the people who know nothing but must be ready to write about everything.
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Ray, I don't want to scare you, but the better you are the more enemies you'll have and it's possible you come to the point the influential people who used to help you will see you as a threat. People will talk shit about you behind your back or will demand sex from you (ok, maybe not from you) and when they close one of the papers due to the traditional media crisis (things moving to the internet) you may stay without a job even for a few months. I'm 23 and I've been writing for a living for the last 5 years. Been literally everywhere. I can't believe I was so naive and wanted to drop my law school for doing full time journalism because I was published and made money off it. No. You do need a second job, or do it like shotgun said. You'll also see how much independence it gives you - you'll never be forced to crawl in front of the editor or write the way somebody tells you to write. Gu makes a lot of sense with what he says. Journalists are the people who know nothing but must be ready to write about everything.
Anyway all the best for you.
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What I mean is: anyone can be a journalist. Journalism as a course doesn't teach you anything special. I feel someone who studied literature probably could be a much better journalist. Also, anyone who can write well can be a journalist, provided that person has a chance.
I agree to a certain extent. Most journalists are certainly not writers, though. Taking a journalism course is one way to stunt creativity. You are taught to avoid using adjectives and your pieces are expected to be indistinguishable. That was one of the reasons I left the course.

Shorthand is a nice skill, though.

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Ah, Ray about the sex part I mean that's what's usually happening to women, I didn't mean to sound harsh (maybe just wanted to achieve 2 meanings ). BTW I read your articles and I easily seen you wrote with passion (adding stats normally no one would bother to find hehe). Cheers mate.

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What I mean is: anyone can be a journalist. Journalism as a course doesn't teach you anything special. I feel someone who studied literature probably could be a much better journalist. Also, anyone who can write well can be a journalist, provided that person has a chance.
disagree here. being a good journalist requires a)very fast learning ability b)great communication skills c)big pair of stones.

definitely not everyone is up for it. problem lies in the position of print media now-days that are loosing its commercial battle with cable tv and internet. so consequently the classic journo profession is slowly ceasing to exist, thus the impression everyone can do it.

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Ray, I don't want to scare you, but the better you are the more enemies you'll have and it's possible you come to the point the influential people who used to help you will see you as a threat. People will talk shit about you behind your back or will demand sex from you (ok, maybe not from you) and when they close one of the papers due to the traditional media crisis (things moving to the internet) you may stay without a job even for a few months. I'm 23 and I've been writing for a living for the last 5 years. Been literally everywhere. I can't believe I was so naive and wanted to drop my law school for doing full time journalism because I was published and made money off it. No. You do need a second job, or do it like shotgun said. You'll also see how much independence it gives you - you'll never be forced to crawl in front of the editor or write the way somebody tells you to write. Gu makes a lot of sense with what he says. Journalists are the people who know nothing but must be ready to write about everything.
Anyway all the best for you.
very good post, I had similar experience in sense there are lots of scheming behind. kinda, being a journo is about information, and the 'closest' information is about your co-workers. so...
my benefit was this 'I dont really give a f... about that' attitude so plenny of people tried to suck up to me (which was kinda nice ). I also had a good crew around me and a great mentor. older guy who's been through a lot and showed me the 'ways'.

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Ah, Ray about the sex part I mean that's what's usually happening to women, I didn't mean to sound harsh (maybe just wanted to achieve 2 meanings ). BTW I read your articles and I easily seen you wrote with passion (adding stats normally no one would bother to find hehe). Cheers mate.
yes, there is lots of sex in that business. big part of that 'behind the back' stuff is related to it.

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just found this thread good luck
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Ok... it's been a long long time, but I will keep the spirit going and update this thread.

This thread started on my very beginnings of the study of sports journalism. On 2011 I graduated with a job at GRIP magazine, and as Juan Monaco's community manager.

Since then, it's been a rollercoaster. I left my job in mid 2012 to start working and giving shape to two tennis magazines, one of which was about latin american tennis. They are Foot Fault magazine and Tennis Mañana. I still colaborate in Revista Line, and this year I tried a radio show, but it just didnt happen.

This 2013, I started working at ESPN as a producer, writing the scripts of Court Central, as well as working on the tv broadcast of Masters 1000 and Grand Slams. Court Central is a 1 hour weekly show focused not only on the news regarding the ATP world.. but about the story. It brings an artistic approach to the tennis world, enphasizing the show part.

It's been a great journey so far. Every season a new challenge... and every challenge a new conquest. Yeah not everyday was great, but overall it's worth the trouble.

Got the chance to talk to some world n1s, top tens, top 100s, latin american players, tennis legends, tennis parents, davis cup players and captains, fed cup players and captains, journalism legends, been to a Davis Cup final, got to work at an ATP tournament, managed a player's community manager and helped him interact with press... yeah, I m having a lot of fun!

I love tennis, just wanted to keep an update for you all. Thanks for the support. I still feel that when you follow your dream hard enough, anything is possible. Never let people drag you down, or let yourself down thinking it is too hard. Always keep chasing your dreams, and you will succeed, as long as you work hard enough and get lucky enough to prove yourself worthy.

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