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I'm sure everything you say is correct but there's got to be a lot more to it. They dropped from 15% to 2%. That takes more than independent voters, even their most loyal supporters have abandoned ship.

Here's my theory:
  • Westerwelle is possibly the most pro-EU politician of them all. Not only does he support the euro, he's proactively in bed with the Greeks. As foreign minister the public probably blames him more than anything for leading the Greeks on.
  • CDU/CSU has risen since the election. Despite Merkel's rhetoric, they have a reputation as the most euroskeptic of the major parties.
  • SPD and Greens are only slightly higher than the election and the Socialists have actually gone down. The left-wing have failed to benefit in the euro crisis.
  • The Piraten are probably the only party proactively denouncing the EU. They've benefited enormously. It wouldn't surprise me if many former FDP voters switched to them.
  • Other small parties have also benefited thanks to anti-euro sentiment, which none of the major parties have.

We could well be looking at a "CDU/CSU-Piraten" Koalition next election.
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i guess the thing is that they don't have any decent public figure anymore. westerwelle burned out during the first six months, rösler seems like an amateur among pros to some extent and lindner didn't cut it either. they've basically run out of people the voters might like.

plus the way merkel goes about politics makes smaller parties look obsolete. she's developed a bizarre way of managing all the different processes in berlin (and even brussels). no harsh words, no knock-out punches, no bitchfights, no nothing - but the tenacious stamina of a british bulldog. her pale looks make everyone else look even paler (more pale? dunno) in her company, plain weird.

*edit: case in point: this is the second (!) president that resigned on her watch within two years (!) - virtually unheard of until köhler decided to leave office. yet believe you me: this will go unnoticed in the polls. stellar performance in the last 24 months.
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Köhler's resigning was sort of unexpected, but this one came way too late. It was clear weeks ago that Wulff could not hold onto the presidency.

So who's next? I think it might be a toss-up between Thomas de Maizière and good old Joachim Gauck. The first one would be my favourite, but the SPD and the Greens have been saying for weeks they won't support a minister from Merkel's current cabinet. So I'm putting my money on Gauck, who even led some polls for a brief period in 2010.

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Armstrong says in-competition testing will never catch anyone, only out-of-competition testing and the blood passport can.

Tennis has no blood passport system, and does basically no out of competition testing.

The methods and drugs used by Armstrong in 1999 would work in tennis right now, with zero chance of being caught (not slightly surprising to anyone familiar with the topic, btw).
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jimmy, re: westerwelle, i think you're overrating the voters' interest in politics. hardly anyone knows where he stands on greece.

i believe merkel's doing well in the polls mostly because she's putting her foot down in brussels. just like everywhere across the globe, most voters favour a national approach to politics, no matter how short-sighted it might turn out to be. she's managed to incorporate many socialist ideals and takes a centrist approach on most issues. that's why the cdu is such a draw for many independents these days.

boy, would a cdu-piraten coalition be fun though. but already they're disintegrating, with the most important figure (marina weisband) stepping down at the end of the year. do you think the piraten might be the fdp's tea party, possibly merging with the party and revitalising the corpse in the long-term?
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Köhler's resigning was sort of unexpected, but this one came way too late. It was clear weeks ago that Wulff could not hold onto the presidency.

So who's next? I think it might be a toss-up between Thomas de Maizière and good old Joachim Gauck. The first one would be my favourite, but the SPD and the Greens have been saying for weeks they won't support a minister from Merkel's current cabinet. So I'm putting my money on Gauck, who even led some polls for a brief period in 2010.
i agree, gauck is probably gonna be the next bundespräsident. i do find the way he's kind of campaigning for himself through the back door very weird though. the week wulff got his ass handed to him by the springer group gauck jumpstarted his bid, adding tons of events, interviews and speeches to his schedule. you'd think a guy of his composure wouldn't turn into such a glory hunter. seems very desperate. what he's about to do in office is likely to bore the hell out of him anyways. this man wants do make a difference - well, wrong office, buddy. all you gotta do is open primary schools, host children choirs or travel to africa (fun fact: köhler AND wulff resigned one day before travelling to burkina faso ).

de maiziere appears to be a stand-up guy but i'd like him to stay put. as far as i can tell he's doing a good job, that guy can go places (next kanzler?). he's a quiet yet loyal follower of merkel (a very rare breed as of now), so she probably won't let him quit anyways.

gauck ftw.

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boy, would a cdu-piraten coalition be fun though. but already they're disintegrating, with the most important figure (marina weisband) stepping down at the end of the year. do you think the piraten might be the fdp's tea party, possibly merging with the party and revitalising the corpse in the long-term?
I don't like the Piraten. They remind me of the old radical youth movements back in the 60s and 70s. They're not anarchists but it's another "cool" fad where kids can jump on board just to have fun. Half the voters probably don't even care that much about the issues.

Having said that, I looked at some of the party policies and I don't think they're as bad as the Greens or Socialists. FDP has already been wiped out so they might as well merge into them. If that happens I'll probably vote CSU next election, unless I can find a small libertarian party somewhere.

Would you be OK with an "SPD-Grünen-Piraten" Koalition?
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I can't believe Merkel's centrist attitude is helping her. Germany must be the only country where being in bed with the opposition actually works. In America and Britain voters would kill you for such a weak populist attitude.
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I don't like the Piraten. They remind me of the old radical youth movements back in the 60s and 70s. They're not anarchists but it's another "cool" fad where kids can jump on board just to have fun. Half the voters probably don't even care that much about the issues.
yeah, and the mere fact that the piraten continue to make inroads goes to show how little people actually understand about the scope of the current crisis. instead of worrying about the ever-more obvious ramifications of the financial meltdown, the youth vote focuses on gaming policies and wireless internet in city centres.

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Having said that, I looked at some of the party policies and I don't think they're as bad as the Greens or Socialists. FDP has already been wiped out so they might as well merge into them. If that happens I'll probably vote CSU next election, unless I can find a small libertarian party somewhere.
uhm, you do know what the "s" in "csu" stands for, right? the csu is more "s" than the actual "s" party in germany. people like steinbrück or steinmeier have come up with WAY less "s" policies than seehofer.

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can't see it happening. i guess it would depend on the leaders. steinbrück i could get on board with, gabriel i could not.

re: next bundespräsident:

de maiziere out, lammert out, töpfer kinda out (rösler veto). gauck about to be inaugurated.
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uhm, you do know what the "s" in "csu" stands for, right? the csu is more "s" than the actual "s" party in germany. people like steinbrück or steinmeier have come up with WAY less "s" policies than seehofer.
Seriously? Yea I knew what the "S" meant but I never thought it translated into their policies. Even the CDU is too left-wing for my liking but the others are definitely further left so I think I'm all out of options.

Thankfully I've still got a year to decide.
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His wife is stunning.

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Well if you guys agree, I guess she really is!

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Oh no I'll have to study a new president in school

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