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By LARA JAKES JORDAN, Associated Press Writer

WASHINGTON - The Bush administration on Thursday denied reports that a secret Justice Department opinion in 2005 cleared the way for the return of painful interrogation tactics or superseded U.S. anti-torture law.


"This country does not torture," White House press secretary Dana Perino told reporters. "It is a policy of the United States that we do not torture and we do not."
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They deny tortures. They deny genocide and crimes in Iraq and Afghanistan too. They deny that it is a crime. They deny that kidnapping of innocent people is crime. Many usual people were kidnapped: Iranian diplomats, people from Iraq, Afghanistan, other countries, Europeans will have psychological trauma to the end of their life. Bush and his administration call it carrying of democracy and fight against terrorists. It was a similiar politician in Europe. A. Hitler had very similiar methods ( maybe a little bit sharper and he used the same slogans - fight against terrorists and carrying the freedom to Europe. American administration usees the same rhetoric) You know, my press gave informations that a man from Bush administration: A. Gonsales or something alike allowed formally for torturing of people in american camps. It is likely that it is a formal document on it. This is the problems of all genocides and regimes of the world. These poeple don't want to know that they harm other innocent people. It is special, psychological mechanism: denial and it concerns all criminals. They use special rhetoric to excuse their crimes. So, you see how this present american administration is distorted.
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Torture is a necessary evil I support it against terorists. Luckily most nations in developing world use it. I would hate India to become as meek as the corrupt West.

One needs to be hard as steel. Unfortuantely you have people who would not eat met becasue they can't bear the thought that meat used to be an animal. You have people who would shout no war even if their nation was attcked. Bloody libs. I hate their ideology more and more as time goes by.

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Torture is a necessary evil I support it against terorists. Luckily most nations in developing world use it. .
The problem relies upon it that many innocent people, who had no connections with terrorism were illegally captured and tortured and Bush and his administration knew about it very well. There are many people, who are not liked by Bush and his psychopaths for instance these Iranian diplomats ( he does not like Iran ) and other people, who are hold in camps illegally. He created camps on the territory of Europe. Besides his actions and his wars are terroristic and he is one the biggest genocide and terrorist and criminal of present times. He should understand it at last.
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Torture is a necessary evil I support it against terorists. Luckily most nations in developing world use it. I would hate India to become as meek as the corrupt West.

One needs to be hard as steel. Unfortuantely you have people who would not eat met becasue they can't bear the thought that meat used to be an animal. You have people who would shout no war even if their nation was attcked. Bloody libs. I hate their ideology more and more as time goes by.


Do you realise that American interrogators have discovered ABSOLUTELY NOTHING OF VALUE from torturing people at Guantánamo? As for the rest of your post....ugh. It's people like you who put people like Bush in power.

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This utterance of Bush is not so unambigous. For me it is totally illogical, what this man says. It is very hypocritical man. He said that people were not tortured in these camps ( it is known that they were tortured and humilitated - there are proofs on it, it was given in every public TV of this world and some people for instance Iranian diplomats were captured in the last time too ), but he supports methods of CIA. And these methods of CIA are illegal and it is just illegal kidnappinig of people and tortures in illegal camps. So what nonsenses does this man talk? This man created real regime based on hypocrisy. Notions are completely mixed: the truth with the lie. He and his cooperators use another dictionary:
illegal, occupying war, will of conquer of another country with destroying of it ( no gas, no electricity, no sewage system, milions of people exiled, about milion killed- in dictionary of Bush it is- carrying of democracy and freedom to people. Illegal kidnapping and torturing of other people is in Bush's dictionary - using of methods of CIA, which are supported by him.
And the last thing, who was said by BUsh - he condemned such people, who wants to obtain political profits killing of other people. Does it meant that he condemns his own person? Because he makes. He kills and harms people to obtain political profits.
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cynicism, nothing illogical
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Do you realise that American interrogators have discovered ABSOLUTELY NOTHING OF VALUE from torturing people at Guantánamo? As for the rest of your post....ugh. It's people like you who put people like Bush in power.
I am not American so Bush would come to power regardless of what I think and contrary to some I do not think about Bush or other American leader day in and day out. The best political system I like is that of Japan not the U.S. I even prefer the Swiss system to that of the American one. With Swiss system it is the federal council that holds power and all major groups are represented. So the right, left and center always have a voice.
U.S. system though is better then most systems in the world, I recognize that. But authorities should have a little more authority over the nation, that's my opinion anyways.

I find it laughable when people say that terrorists in Gitmo bay are tortured. I suggest you go to prisons in Middle East for you to see what torture is really about and yes I prefer terrorists like Sheik Mohammed to be in Gitmo bay rather than U.S. where he would have an armada of lawyers at his side and where the trial would turn into a farce.

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not all are terrorists, that is the problem , many have been released without charges, and probably more are being held there without any evidence.
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I find it laughable when people say that terrorists in Gitmo bay are tortured. I suggest you go to prisons in Middle East for you to see what torture is really about and yes I prefer terrorists like Sheik Mohammed to be in Gitmo bay rather than U.S. where he would have an armada of lawyers at his side and where the trial would turn into a farce.

I may hate liberals ystem but I do not hate people whoa re liberals. People come in all shapes and sizes. What we all want is a better society for us and our children. In this we share a common goal.
You haven't mentioned that the US decides who is a terrorist and who not. What is the definition of a terrorist? Many people see Bush as a terrorist too.

Also many people held by the US are far of being terrorists.
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You haven't mentioned that the US decides who is a terrorist and who not. What is the definition of a terrorist? Many people see Bush as a terrorist too.

Also many people held by the US are far of being terrorists.
With regards to 'Jim Jones thinks like Bush'

I don't know if I do or don't but I respect the guy for sure. But actually I think like Ibn Saud. He conquered and assimilated people he conquered. He used dipolomacy and was a cunning leader. He married women from different tribes and used this and his religion to unite different lands into one country.

Violence begets violence. I always believd in the notion, eye for an eye. Sounds harsh to you people in the West but this is the nature of the beast.

Yes the prisoners in gitmo bay are all innocent.

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Shoot every right wing politician in the world.

Then we will have peace.

Bush, Osama and company will all be gone and they can continue their insane fight in hell.

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Shoot every right wing politician in the world.

Then we will have peace.

Bush, Osama and company will all be gone and they can continue their insane fight in hell.
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It is known and it was given publicly on TV that americans and anglons tortured and humilitated people in their illegal camps. It is likely that there were illegal camps in the territory of Europe, there people were hold and tortured. It will be brought to light in the future. Many people were kidnapped, tortured, forced to evidences because a primitive soldier, cia-fuzz thought that he has a terrorist. Of course the main perpetrators of these crimes are main politicians of USA and GB. They foment hatred against these people.
It was a small interview with a primitive british soldier and he was asked where does he know from that a man is Iranian and not for instance Iraqi. And the bloke has said that this concrete man spoke faster and it is proof that it is Iranian. It could be a member of tribe and spoke with dialect. For me it is funny to base relations on a talk with a primitive soldier, who can make nothing in his life except killing people. These primitive soldiers can not even speak good English and they would have difficulties with distuinguish Welsh from Polish but he can distuinguish Persian from Arabian language. Thinking logically. What interests could have Iranians in Iraq ? Why should they risk their lifes to go through a desert from a safe country to the state absorbed in bloody war to kill a one or a few stupid, primitive american or british privates soldiers knowing that there are so many militiants groups that they could be killed on the way to the purpose? It is totally stupidity and it is a proof not only for cynicism but unusual backwardness of people, who contrived this idea.
Never mind. They make laughing stock of theirselves and sentences of Bush are quoted everywhere in funny sites. What kind of people could elect such bloke for president? It is not only genocide but clown too. It could be really funny ( for instance his soldiers on the desert with 2 big deserted barrels after a paint or something alike -,,Here was biological weapon,, - in opinion of these soldiers), if they would not kill 1 mln people by opportunity, destroyed a country, kidnapped, tortured and hold tousends of people illegally on the fictional charges.
When does this madman end his wars and release all people, who are hold there on the fictional charges ( for instance Iranian diplomats or orher innocent people, who sit there ). When does this man and his fellows intend to stop commiting and continuing his crimes against humanity? Does he really not feel and understand, what he did?
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