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Rate Roger's Overall Skills.

Reality Ryan has given me a new idea. For once he actually supported something with a few facts. On a scale of 1-10 Rate his overall ability in areas such as FH, BH, Serve,Volley,Movement,mental strength. Now we dont have to be bised like other people and say he's perfect in everything, but i thought it would be interesting to hear you're opinions!
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Re: Rate Roger's Overall Skills.

I'll give explanations later.
Serve 8.5
Volley 9.0
FH 10.0
BH 8.0
Movement 8.5
Mental strength 6.3
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Serve - 8. I am thinking to give it 9 but it is still not consistent enough imo. He will need to crank up those first serve % to deserve a 9
Volley - 8.5
FH - 8.5
BH - 8 His BH is a beauty and very versatile but can be inconsistent at times
Movement - 9
Mental strength - 5.5
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Serve 8.5
Volley 9.0
FH 10.0
BH 8.0
Movement 8.5
Mental strength 6.3
Serve: 7.8 (needs to speed up a extra 5 miles and not go of the boil so often, also a lot of double faults in wrong situations)

Volley: In todays game 9.5 but if you compare him to people like Edberg then 8.5

FH: 9 When its on, lookout.

BH: 7.5 When its on its as good as the forehand especially those down the line shots but it sure gets ugly when he is in bad form. The slice gives him good options.

Movement: 9.5 Deceptively quick and flows around the court as good as anyone

Mental Strength: 5
Where do I start?
Inability to close out matches
double faults on key points
a tendency to start matches slowly often having a slow first set but cruising in the second (lots of 7-6, 6-2 scorelines)
a annoying habit of winning 40-0 and then letting the opponent back into the service game
continue using the same game plan while being beaten even though he has many options
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Re: Rate Roger's Overall Skills.

Thanks WyverN for giving reasons supporting youre answers. I couldent agree with you more. I rated his mental strength, & little more than some people because he has had some great comebacks. Even though he eventually lost the set & match, I think him coming back from down 0-5, in the second set against Nalbanidan, & forced the tiebreaker. Other examples would be his match agaisnt Draper & Cinncinati, where he saved 7 Match points! And also when he was down Match Point against Agassi in their RR Math when he hit that wonderful FH Down the Line winner.(On the other Agassi dumped a FH in to the net BTW) So he does have his moments where he can seem like a mental giant, but more often than not he chokes. That, as we all know, is where he needs serious improvement! I also agree, that he needs to get that % up so he can get to net more, amoung other reasons. He could have had a lot more aces (was 3rd for aces last season though) if he got his serve in more. I agree that putting more milage on the serve would be helpful. Get it in to the 130's more(he hardly ever gets it their) but not so much more that he destroys accuracy!
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Serve:8.2 quite a weapon and could well be lethal when he's on. But he's not consistently displaying it. Don't think he still need speed up his serve, but to make more of his first serves in is badly crucial.

Volley:8.4 needs improvement definitely. Still way to go to to reach the level of some old guys.

FH:9.6 not inferior to anyone IMO if not superior. just to show more consistensy.

BH:8.8 the most beautiful BH on tour IMO. if compared with others' BH, not with his own other areas, it deserves the rate.

Movement:9.3 is somewhat undermined by his other outstanding abilities.

Mental strength:6 is the pass score, just for some of his comebacks. Others? I don't want to mention them again.

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Re: Rate Roger's Overall Skills.

Hi all, I reallly enjoy reading analysis from all of you. I'd like to give one but I honestly didn't watch enough tennis to be objective.

I can see that everybody has rated mental as Roger's weakest point. My question is if this is relative coz he's good at most other aspects, or is it really that obvious? Wasn't he the player who won most matches in 2003? And what about the comeback fedex mentioned? Other than the match vs Andy in Montreal and DC with Hewitt, has it really happend so often that he had choked away matches, just in year 2003? DC loss was obviously a great example but he had played the most matches (both single and double) there and was in front of huge crowd behind Hewitt. That's no simple task. Andy has a game that is never easy to play against imo, he always has a very effective serve to fall back on. Anybody who plays him really need to be fully concentrating on court. I'm not defending him here for sure (what for, it's his forum with all his fans), but I'm just really curious.

I had read that Roger was being screamed and shouted at by Jim Mac at the locked room before his match vs Agassi, instead of acted dramatic in the court subsequent to that, he just came out and let his game do the talking. That seems like a mental strength and maturity to me. Wasn't he having back pain in wimbledon and didn't he come out and win subsequent to that?

Is it because that he had made some of his win so effortless and easy that when he doesn't do that, he's mentally weak? Or is it because maybe he hasn't found the rhythm to consistently produce that type of high level tennis he can? I guess when your game is simple, huge serve/forehand it's pretty much what you'll do on court. Ups or down, you'll do that. But when it's a bit more complicated than that, it isn't that straightforward anymore. IMO Roger just hasn't found his pace to deliver consistently or gets confused about his tactics sometimes than he's mentally weak. I agree for sure his game is still unpredictable at this moment, but even that he had done great with the most matches won in 2003. And I think people who said he doesn't fight enough is certainly basing that argument hugely because of him being too calm on court.
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Re: Rate Roger's Overall Skills.

ok before anybody jumps to the conclusion that I'm a hard core Roger fan who wants to defend him every single way, no I'm not. I just really want to hear from some of you why he's unpredictable at his game? Is it really because of mental, or more that he hasn't figured out his own game plan too. Maybe that's why he had dismissed Peter? Or maybe I haven't watched enough of his "choking" matches?
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Agree with you yanchr, it will be nice to get an extra 5 miles oh his serves but it is not crucial. It is more important to consistently get more of them in. As much as it pains me to agree with PMac , I agree with him about when Rogi serves well all other aspects of his game elevates because he has less pressure to hold his serve so he can take more risk on his opponent's serve.
About the double faults in wrong situations, I think it is more mental than his serving skill.

lsy, as you know people keep mentioning you never know which Federer show up in a match, like 50-50 chances. I think he has improved on his mental strength hence the extra .5 that I gave him. Actually I am still in wait and see stance on his mental strength. He has more pressure this year to back up his 2003 year. So will see how well he deal with those pressures. His less than impressive grand slams records before 2003, I always contibutes that to his meltdown under pressures. He has suprised me with his mental strength though as you mentioned that match against Draper, against Agassi in the Houston RR. So I think he will keep improving on this aspect.
Yes, I think it is easier for people like Roddick to have a good mental strength because he has that huge serve to fall back on. But Roddick also deals well under pressure imo.
Hewitt is in another whole league though, since his mental strength can be a weapon. His is a 10 imo. So he is what I am using for comparison to give Rogi that 5.5.
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Wyvern was right on. Perfect post.
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Re: Re: Rate Roger's Overall Skills.

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Its the way he choked those matches that made them so heartbreaking. Those "chokes" against Roddick and Hewitt were not enforced by either of them raising their game or even getting lucky but Federer letting the situation get to him and making simple unforced errors by pressing to much or even worse double faults.

Besides Montreal and DC are only the extreme examples, there were at least another half dozen situations last year where Federer either failed to serve out the match, the set or gave away a commanding lead in a set.

Some have argued that Federer does not need the extra speed on his serve but the extra little bit of speed would help him greatly in closing out matches, Federer still lacks that big weapon to rely on in key situations which often lands him in bother (e.g couple of unreturnable serves at 30-30).

People point to the Agassi round robin match in Houston as a sign of Federer's improving mentality but lets not forget Federer actually served for the match in the 3rd set only to lose his serve and being match point down in the tiebreaker he smashed a forehand winner of the Agassi serve, if that return of serve clipped the top of the net and Federer lost the match would that mean Federer is weak mentally? Of course not, mentality is far deeper then that and I can see weaknesses in almost every match.

Federer also did not have a single 5 set win in 2003.

One final point, I am a great fan of Federer and I hate criticising him but it is pretty frustrating when you get one of the most complete players I have ever seen yet after being a pro for more then six years if you take out his Wimbledon he has a very mediocre slam career.

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Re: Rate Roger's Overall Skills.

WyverN I agree with your analysis.
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Re: Rate Roger's Overall Skills.

Thanks for the extra paragraghps of explaining WyverN and ytben that's what I want to know.

As I said, I had stopped following tennis since quite many years back, not till last year when I have more time on hand, I started to watch more tennis. Not surprisingly, it was Federer who caught my extra attention and very quickly regain my interest in men's tennis.

I guess that's why I don't feel as much agony as some of you here who had been following him for quite some years obviously. I really like his game, which is why I'm very keen to see him live up to his abilities/talents.

Anyway, I certainly hope I wouldn't have to go through the frustrations you have with Roger for the next few years, WyverN...
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Re: Rate Roger's Overall Skills.

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Reality Ryan has given me a new idea. For once he actually supported something with a few facts. On a scale of 1-10 Rate his overall ability in areas such as FH, BH, Serve,Volley,Movement,mental strength. Now we dont have to be bised like other people and say he's perfect in everything, but i thought it would be interesting to hear you're opinions!
haha, I will take that as a complement!

Roger Federer:

Forehand:8/10
He hits a very fast, well-spun ball does Federer. You never know what to expect with this guy. He has both power and Finesse on this shot.

Backand:9/10
I think he has the male equivalent of J-H-H's backhand. The technique is very sound and just like on the forehand he has the power and the finesse.

Serve:9/10
A very dominating serving. This serve is what won Fed a grand slam last year. It's fast but, what kills you is the placement. He uses it so well to exploit opponent’s weaknesses.

Movement and Mobility:8.5/10
Very fast and very smooth moving around. Sometimes you wonder how he ran something down because he's sneaky fast.

Focus/Mental Ability:4.5/10
The biggest drawback to Federer's game is the way he sits in cruise control for alot of the match and doesn't really play his "A" until he is already down a set or two. He doesn't do this all the time but, as of recently it has become more and more prevalent.

Net Skills:9.5/10
He has the ability to make those shot's like Sampras did at the net. He's not even a “S and V” Player but, he can do that. He makes some of the most ridiculous shots I have ever seen at the net bar none. Just out of this world when he is playing his "A" game at the net. The reflexes, and the natural ability is there. Just deadly with those drop shot...


Avg score = 8.03
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Re: Rate Roger's Overall Skills.

Hi RR, you know what? I know your favourite is Andy but you really have one thing in common with Roger at the moment : unpredictable.

I don't know when your posts will make sense, when it will just look like all bs.
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