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View Poll Results: If he can only win one of these titles this year, which one would it be?
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I would, without the slightest hesitation.

But I think Roger would not agree with me (and the majority over here). I feel that he is emotionally connected to Wimbledon much stronger than to any other tournament (with Basel being the exception to the rule).
Rogi loves tennis history and Wimbledon holds a very high place in it; Wimby is the most prestigious of all slams; it has tradition and class and is held in high regard -- that's why Rogi always wanted to win it. Rogi suits perfectly what Wimbledon represents.

[Pandy winning Wimby is a contradiction to me. He's not classy enough. Didn't he say last year that Wimby was the most important slam or sth like that? Since when was it for him? Since he made and lost the final in 04 and was sure he w beat Rogi and win it in 05, I guess.]

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YES, I also think that win wimby 4 years a row also a Great job.
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He most likely will be seeded #2 this year, right?
Yep mirkaland, unless he loses early in Rome and at RG while Roddick does really well in Rome and RG. In other words, yes.
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Grass neutralizes EVERY strength in Nadal's game, namely: his speed (he can no longer run faster than the balls...) and his high-bouncing shots with excessive top-spin (which sit-up nicely for any player to hit on grass), and on competitiveness alone he won't go far.

I had been stunned how sub-ordinary he looked last year vs. Muller, until I realised he simply had nothing to offer on that surface.
I remember an article in one of the English newspapers (telegraph?) later in which they wrote how surprised they were with how unorthodox Nadal's shots were, and basically saying nobody should be raised playing like that.

True, few players play particularly well on grass nowadays, but Nadal isn't better than any of those who do not.

Sorry, mallorn, he's got no chance in hell on the stuff
I'm not saying this as a hater or using some wishful thinking.
He might be working on his serve and his volleys, but it's not like he's going to start S&V tomorrow on the grass (or he's toast even before playing one game).
This is conventional wisdom of course, but I wouldn't be at all surprised by a SF run or thereabouts sometime soon. Yes, the ball doesn't bounce nicely on the grass and you cannot stand 10 feet behind the basline and hit penetrating shots/winners/passing shots so Nadal's game will not work against someone hitting big and hitting their spots.

Again, he will only face a few of these players during the tournament and if they don't bring their game with them, they will lose to Nadal, even on grass.

As for the Muller match, yes, Muller owned him on a lot of points and made the match look easy at times, but Nadal also missed a lot of BP opportunities. A couple of points here and there and that match could've turned out completely differently.
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If Federer wins RG, he'll go on and win Wimbledon, so no need to choose.
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Roland Garros!

But everyone knows it's not a choice. Whether he wins RG or not, he'll always win Wimbledon.
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If Federer wins RG, he'll go on and win Wimbledon, so no need to choose.

Somehow, I think if Roger wins RG, Nadal may increase his practice time on grass just to make a solid attempt at returning the favor in Roger's "house"



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This is conventional wisdom of course, but I wouldn't be at all surprised by a SF run or thereabouts sometime soon. Yes, the ball doesn't bounce nicely on the grass and you cannot stand 10 feet behind the basline and hit penetrating shots/winners/passing shots so Nadal's game will not work against someone hitting big and hitting their spots.

Again, he will only face a few of these players during the tournament and if they don't bring their game with them, they will lose to Nadal, even on grass.

As for the Muller match, yes, Muller owned him on a lot of points and made the match look easy at times, but Nadal also missed a lot of BP opportunities. A couple of points here and there and that match could've turned out completely differently.
Agree........I've had similar thoughts about Nadal's chances at Wimbledon.



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If Federer wins RG, he'll go on and win Wimbledon, so no need to choose.
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yes if thats what it takes to complete his GS and be the first open era man to do it so

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Re: Would you trade this year's Wimbledon in for a title at RG?

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Admittedly, my excitement for the clay season is slowly evaporating......... The Barcelona Final started to pound those final nails into this season being dead and buried for me

Nevertheless, if I had a choice of either 2006 RG or Wim.........I choose RG. I think RG will place Roger in a category within tennis history that he is very deserving of.....in my opinion........... What would make it even more special is if he defeated the "king of clay" to earn that RG crown..........
What do you mean about Barcelona Final ? Nadal didn't have any great contenders in his draw.....that was an expected outcome.

Here's an interesting point to remember......Agassi was 29 when he won RG and he wasn't the favorite going into it. He also didn't even play Monte Carlo and he lost in the 3rd round of Rome that year. Granted I don't think Agassi's opponent in the RG final was as tough as Nadal. Agassi was lucky to be in the right place and the right time.

However, we can also see that some times titles and streaks don't tell the whole story. In other words, Agassi could have easily lost that RG final or if he were facing a tougher opponent like Nadal that year he probably would have lost it. So in reality to have won all 4 majors in a career doesn't necessarily mean more than winning 14 or more majors in a career.

I'd be happy for either outcome for Roger an RG or a Wimby. I think we can all agree that at the least we want Roger to win one more major this year no matter which one it is because that will help him retain the #1 spot.

Let's keep up the good vibes for Roger and maybe he will win both RG and Wimby this year! Why not? Borg did that a bunch of times.

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Yeah Agassi was lucky in more ways than that. I think, his opponent Medvedev (?) in the finals self-destructed after being up 2 sets to love. Agassi hung in there and won the trophy. I think it is a moot point to discuss it anyway because looking back Agassi won the final that day and that resulted in him being one of the few to win all four majors.

Fed has his work cut out for him due to Nadal's ascension so victory will be all the more sweeter if he does it this year.

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What do you mean about Barcelona Final ? Nadal didn't have any great contenders in his draw.....that was an expected outcome.

Here's an interesting point to remember......Agassi was 29 when he won RG and he wasn't the favorite going into it. He also didn't even play Monte Carlo and he lost in the 3rd round of Rome that year. Granted I don't think Agassi's opponent in the RG final was as tough as Nadal. Agassi was lucky to be in the right place and the right time.

However, we can also see that some times titles and streaks don't tell the whole story. In other words, Agassi could have easily lost that RG final or if he were facing a tougher opponent like Nadal that year he probably would have lost it. So in reality to have won all 4 majors in a career doesn't necessarily mean more than winning 14 or more majors in a career.

I'd be happy for either outcome for Roger an RG or a Wimby. I think we can all agree that at the least we want Roger to win one more major this year no matter which one it is because that will help him retain the #1 spot.

Let's keep up the good vibes for Roger and maybe he will win both RG and Wimby this year! Why not? Borg did that a bunch of times.

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Yeah Agassi was lucky in more ways than that. I think, his opponent Medvedev (?) in the finals self-destructed after being up 2 sets to love. Agassi hung in there and won the trophy. I think it is a moot point to discuss it anyway because looking back Agassi won the final that day and that resulted in him being one of the few to win all four majors.

Fed has his work cut out for him due to Nadal's ascension so victory will be all the more sweeter if he does it this year.
I think even if Roger never wins RG he will end up being viewed as greater than Agassi. If Roger stays healthy and can play till he's 30 he will probably have won more majors than Agassi and won more MS series. An RG win would be icing on the cake but it doesn't make or break Roger's greatness factor. That said, if Roger doesn't win RG this year he certainly has a lot more time left to keep trying.

Furthermore.....McEnroe never won RG but he is viewed as being greater than Agassi. As I remember, they used to praise Agassi's career slam just to make him not feel jealous of Sampras' record.

What is strange to me is the fact that Roger had a lot more competition coming up through the ranks than what Nadal had to face to climb to #2. Rgoer had to face players like Agassi, Henman, Hewitt, Safin, Roddick, Nalbandian when they were at their PEAK. Now Nadal is benefitting from the fact those guys are only half what they were. This lets Nadal have a much better chance off of clay than he would have had otherwise. That's just not fair. Even now Roger gets the toughest draws every time.

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RG for sure, it would place him among the very best in history!

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