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Roche's additions to Federer's game

Hey, i thought it would be cool to see the evolution of federer's game. Fed has a lot of respect for roche, and he says is having an impact. But what specifically?

In this thread, post either strategic, technical, stylistic or even behavioral changes that you have noticed. Roger says a few subtle things have changed in his game. We as perceptive roger fans, try to pick it up!

You can also post what types of things you would hope they work on, in the coming year.
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Re: Roche's additions to Federer's game

Definitely his forehand volley and his second serve. Those 2 can improve the most. Then comes the backhand. More consistency and pace would be great. Other than those his game is pretty good as it is.

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LOL what am I talking about, of course his game is pretty good as it is. Anybody would love to be able to play like him. But yea, at the moment, I think his second serve and his forehand volley can improve the most.
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Re: Roche's additions to Federer's game

i have some recent concerns abt feds game
first his serve:

speed has significantly decreased since his wimbledon win...he wasnt serving hard in cincy and is struggling to get it in the high 120's

Davydenko serving harder than federer...then we know there is a problem

Fed's lazy technique when volleying...he sometimes rushes into net, and instead of stopping and blocking runs his volleys over. Roche, are you doing you job??? i dont see too much improvement in volleying

Fed volleyed beautifully in 2003 when he won wimby under PL.

He served great against agassi at the AO. Contrast that to the rest of the year.

He won cincy and usopen on pure toughness
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Re: Roche's additions to Federer's game

fed needs a fh squash shot on clay
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Re: Roche's additions to Federer's game

Well he was out for a while. And anyway he used to be more of a serve volleyer in the past now hes changed to a baseliner to go with the times, thats why the volleys arent as great as before, Serve volleyer is harder than Baseliner. Under Roche he seems to be trying to get to the net a bit more to get his volleys up to scratch though... Peter Lundreng (sp!?) Is a highly underatted and quick spectacular coach, he was the reason Rog learnt how to control his mental game and not swear and stuff etc if he made a mistake, hes doin the Same with Safin but Safins a bit tougher to tame especially since he's older than Federer was, but Still Peter improved them both more than anyone will give credit.

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i will cut fed some slack for the injury he suffered...but should be responsible for playing some tennis or at least keeping himself sharp when he took the break after wimby
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Re: Roche's additions to Federer's game

I think his speed and serve is just due to a lack of conditioning. I am pretty sure that if nothing goes wrong, he should be moving and serving like he is capable of again at AO 06.

The major improvements he can make imo is his second serve and his volleys, especially his forehand side. A more solid backhand doesn't hurt either, but those are the main ones. One can rarely use a fh squash shot anyhow, so it's not really a big concern even if he doesn't get that perfected.
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Re: Roche's additions to Federer's game

volleys running through them and seems to be volleying uncrisp balls right back to opponents a lot

bh too defensive sometimes, and most of the time against power hitters. he's developed the nice cc hb, but i would also like to see some of the great bh he used against agassi in 2003 tmc.
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And anyway he used to be more of a serve volleyer in the past now hes changed to a baseliner to go with the times, thats why the volleys arent as great as before, Serve volleyer is harder than Baseliner.
I wouldn't say that S&V game is harder/easier than baseline game, it's just different. S&V game is based on quick reaction, instincts, reflexes. A good S&V-er plays this " north-south" game automatically, with very little thinking and minimum strategy.

I agree that Roger has neglected his net game lately. Early in his career he s&v a lot against Hewitt and Nalbandian, and it didn't work. Then he found a way to beat them from bs, and he's been glued to the back of the court since.

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Roche doesn't have enough time to do his job. This arrangment seems more and more ridiculous. I was very disappointed to find out that they won't meet till Kyoong; it's awfully close to the AO.

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Re: Roche's additions to Federer's game

Roche is the most brilliant tennis coach in the world. The way he turned Pat Rafter around from a journeyman languishing outside the top-50 to the number-one player in the world was amazing. However, I'm not sure that he has brought a great deal to Federer's game. I've seen no marked improvements in Federer's serve and whilst Federer does seem to be attacking the net more aggressively, the volleys are still not as clean as they were in his 2003 Wimbledon triumph. I think Federer needs a new coach, one who is prepared to travel with him full-time, not a coach who only works part-time, brilliant though that coach may be.
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If my sclerosis serves me correctly, lol, Roche did not travel with Rafter full time either.

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If my sclerosis serves me correctly, lol, Roche did not travel with Rafter either.
Really? I was sure traveled with Rafter full-time...
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Re: Roche's additions to Federer's game

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I think Federer needs a new coach, one who is prepared to travel with him full-time, not a coach who only works part-time, brilliant though that coach may be.
Tell Agassi to retire , then Cahill would be free. Seriously: I am generally not sure about the coaches' contributions at all .
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Re: Roche's additions to Federer's game

Perhaps it's Roger's decision not to have a full time coach? I guess we can debate whether that's smart or not. But when the guy goes 81-4 and wins 11 titles it's kinda hard to criticize his decisions. He's obviously doing something right.

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