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not everyone has to fawn over Federer, no matter how good he is.
I agree on that
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no matter how good he is.
I am reconciled with you GWH, in our little correspondence you never admitted that.
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The blisters can't be an excuse, and I don't like these days when Fed says he was not 100%, and this and that, he disappoints me a bit trying to justify his only loss of 2005... no need ! And he should win despite the blisters, if he enters the court, no excuse ! Pete vomitted and still won in this USO against Corretja, this is the champ trademark...
Why should we come back to that match AGAIN out of anything? Anyway...

True, that's not the typical Roger I've seen for long, no matter the fact that it was said privately. The blisters can't be an excuse? No, it was not an excuse, but the truth. I'm not saying he has all the ground to mention it for not only once, just I look it in this way......He took it too big, really too big. I won't get convinced or as stupid as to believe what he had to say, it's a loss, I can accept it, tomorrow would be fine..blah blah blah...Yes, it's just a loss, he can accept it quickly, but he has been struggling to overcome it later on, all through to IW I think. I believe the loss did haunt him once in a while which he wouldn't admit for sure. His keeping mentioning he was not 100% only showed he was not fully convinced of the defeat, he would think if he was 100% he would've beaten Safin, and that he was more than eager to show he is still THE best. In view of that, I actually think Roger is a little bit arrogant inside him, maybe unconsciously. He is not disappointing me by behaving like so, but really you can tell from this weird (from the usual him ) reaction that he cares about that loss so much, he cares about his position so much.

Well that's my humble opinion though
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Why should we come back to that match AGAIN out of anything? Anyway...
Yanchr, you might remember that I was among the first ones to suggest learning the lessons of this match and then to get on. Just to give you the context: It came up again, as it always does, when I have a certain discussion with GWH. As for your interpretation of the whole story, I agree with some thoughts, but I disgaree with others. However, You are 100 % right: It is time to move on

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So bitter, I mean whats wrong about posting about the best player in the world?
It's very simple. Roger beats their favorite players and prevent them from winning titles.
It doesn't help that some people don't bother to read and/or think before they write. If a thread already exists, why the hell you need to open the similar one?

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Re: Why are non Federer fans....

I don't understand why we Federer fans and sometimes the fans of Roddick and Hewitt can't make excuse for their losses but the Safin fans can always fall back on his being an "OAF" or his socall mental state.

When Roddick/Federer loses to a lower ranked player is is eaten alive is they are said to be losing their mistique, but when Safin loses to a lower rank player he is simply OAFing?

I believe if Safin had lost that AO semi his fans would have said his head wasn't in the right place and blah blah but the Fed fans are not allow to say he didn't play well and that his play had nothing to do with Safin.
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Re: Why are non Federer fans....

Blaze, it happens to a regular occurance with Safin.

On Nadal bumping him on the changeover, Rosol said: "It's ok, he wanted to take my concentration; I knew he would try something".


Wilander on Dimitrov - "He has mind set on imitating Federer and yes it looks good. But he has no idea what to do on the court".

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I definitely would have preferred Gaba winning as he needs the points much more, but Jan would have beaten him anyway. I expect Hajek to destroy Machado, like 6-1 6-2.
Machado wins 6-2 6-1
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Blaze, it happens to a regular occurance with Safin.
Then is it fair to use it as an excuse?

You as a Gaudio fan could easily make this same excuse but I don't see you doing that
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Re: Why are non Federer fans....

Did I say it was fair to make excuses. I give it to the Safin fans when it's needed and mentioned this same fact earlier in the Safin thread.

On Nadal bumping him on the changeover, Rosol said: "It's ok, he wanted to take my concentration; I knew he would try something".


Wilander on Dimitrov - "He has mind set on imitating Federer and yes it looks good. But he has no idea what to do on the court".

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I definitely would have preferred Gaba winning as he needs the points much more, but Jan would have beaten him anyway. I expect Hajek to destroy Machado, like 6-1 6-2.
Machado wins 6-2 6-1
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I don't understand why we Federer fans and sometimes the fans of Roddick and Hewitt can't make excuse for their losses but the Safin fans can always fall back on his being an "OAF" or his socall mental state.

When Roddick/Federer loses to a lower ranked player is is eaten alive is they are said to be losing their mistique, but when Safin loses to a lower rank player he is simply OAFing?

I believe if Safin had lost that AO semi his fans would have said his head wasn't in the right place and blah blah but the Fed fans are not allow to say he didn't play well and that his play had nothing to do with Safin.
I agree with you on this point 100%- there definitely does seem to be a set of double standards regarding Safin and the other players.

As for Roger's defeats- there is really no point in thinking about excuses (blisters, illnes, fatigue) it is an integral part of the game. Shit happens, and not just to Roger. When Roger plays against other players who are sometimes not having the best of days and miss easy shots or are sick no one even bats an eyelid thinking about that. For example, his IW final match against Hewitt- let's face it, Roger didn't exactly play brilliantly in that match apart from a few select points and he made many errors. Against a 100% physically fit Hewitt with Roger playing the match as he did it would have been a completely different ballgame- so that could be a way of looking at things from the perspective of a non-Fed fan, a perspective most of us fans would not have thought about too much.
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Re: Why are non Federer fans....

very long~~~
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I agree with you on this point 100%- there definitely does seem to be a set of double standards regarding Safin and the other players.
Marat and Roger are very different characters, even if they come quite close on some aspects. A similar difference can be seen among their fans. I know what I am talking about as I spent sufficent time on their respective fora.

Marat fans are very passionate and they can fall from exaltation to desaster and back again within a single post. But they are utterly loyal and that is the reason for their talent to find excuses. Among professional commentators I found much less sympathy for Marat. This is of course some generalisation which I used to prove my point.
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Re: Why are non Federer fans....

I know Safin is good friend with Roger in the past~~
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I know Safin is good friend with Roger in the past~~

I think they are still friends
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Re: Why are non Federer fans....

that will be good~~~

I am so afraid when after 2004 WIMBY final Roger and Andy wll not be friend any more~~~
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