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How Roger is doing compared to the all time greats

From Mitalidas's article, they posted us a chart of slam leaders and their success at the age of 23:

Player Slams aged 23 Total
P Sampras (US) 7 14
R Emerson (Aus) 0 12
B Borg (Swe) 8 11
R Laver (Aus) 5 11
J Connors (US) 4 8
I Lendl (Cz Rep) 0 8
A Agassi (US) 1 8
J Newcombe (Aus) 2 7
J McEnroe (US) 4 7

I don't think Roger can get to Pete's record, but 8 or above would be a safe call IMO.
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Re: How Roger is doing compared to the all time greats

Why do you not think he can get there?

With each passing season, I discover new reason
SAMPRAS --> Rios --> KUERTEN --> Kafelnikov -->
Federer --> Hewitt --> RODDICK --> GONZALEZ -->
NALBANDIAN --> Benneteau --> Davydenko --> Mathieu -->
TURSUNOV --> Mantilla --> KIEFER --> NADAL -->
Karlovic --> Odesnik --> Stepanek --> Monfils -->
??


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Re: How Roger is doing compared to the all time greats

At the exact same stage of their career Pete was 1 slam above Roger.

I am not sure that roger is all to concerned about where he stands on the all time least but if he does the next level to aim at is probably Becked/Edberg who both won 6 slams each.
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Why do you not think he can get there?
14 slams is just huge, it would take another 3 or 4 years like 2004 to get there which is scary.
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Re: How Roger is doing compared to the all time greats

I think Rogi could get over 10 slams and possibly win two of each.
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Federer's late development is not to be forgotten. We don't even know if he has topped his game yet as he has developped so fast, I mean 7 tournaments last year, Houston and Wimbledon and we all thought it was a totaly amazing year and now he comes this year and has the greatest year ever except Rod ALver in the open era. Next year, 4 grand slams?

Sampras really went downhill from beeing 23 years old and his body was alot more heavy than Roger's and he got more problems with injury because of it. 7 grand slams til he was 23 years old and 7 thereafter? It shouldn't be that way (hey, are we talking about late 23 or early 23 like Fed is, Fed might win 3 more grand slams while he is 23 years old..).

If Federer wins 2 Grand slams every year for the next 5 years the record is almost broken and he will be 28 years old. If he goes own to Agassi's age, or lets just say 30-32 years old still in the top of tennis, he might get to 20.

I am absolutely convinced he will win a real grand slam once in his career, it just is something which has to happen to such an amazing player.

Just watch these wild predictions (2 years ago I once said he would win 16 grand slams, now I think he will go up to 20 and even more!):

8 wimbledon titles
6 Australian open titles
5 US open titles
2 French open titles

1 REAL GRAND SLAM!

We don't have to be afraid, maybe you think I am demanding too much and putting too much pressure on Fed, but I am quite sure he isn't reading this, because it would certanly not be good for him to know what his fans go around hoping for.
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I think all-around, Federer is better than Sampras and has *potential* to do more than him. Even with all the guys getting better and the field getting tougher and quality being so high, Federer is still a step above the rest. And I know that only time will tell and he will get older and be playing against a new crop of youngsters, but he is sooo far from the Federer of 2001,2002 that didnt have his head screwed on straight--losing stupid matches--not realizing his talent. I truly believe that he can surpass Pete's record. I dont know if I want him to, just 'cause Pete is the love of my life, and it would be sad to see his record get broken, but, I think Roger can do it if he just never goes back to the way he was as a person who didnt know what to do with their gift, and as long as he stays dedicated and driven. You can look at Roger, at his demeanor and his comments--he knows he is capable of something extraordinary. Nobody compares to him, well, a few players, kinda , but for now, noooooo

With each passing season, I discover new reason
SAMPRAS --> Rios --> KUERTEN --> Kafelnikov -->
Federer --> Hewitt --> RODDICK --> GONZALEZ -->
NALBANDIAN --> Benneteau --> Davydenko --> Mathieu -->
TURSUNOV --> Mantilla --> KIEFER --> NADAL -->
Karlovic --> Odesnik --> Stepanek --> Monfils -->
??


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Re: How Roger is doing compared to the all time greats

I think in 2005 he will win 2 GS at least
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I do think Roger has a shot at Pete's record of 14 slams. His game style probably will enable him to last longer on court than Pete. Let's just hope he doesn't get some serious injury or he gets bored soon with his loneliness at the very top of the pyramid.
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You guys are very shy Federer fans who seem afraid to be disappointed, that is okay. But I am more interested to have realistic expectations than modest, so I would say he will continue to develop, he will have less 1st round looses to nobodies as he gets mroe experienced, but continue to be ultimately above everyone else in the top 10.

Inside me I actualy feel kind of modest saying he will only win 1 real grand slam. I am predicting it would be next year, but why would he top his game at the age of 23-24?

Maybe he will win 2 real grand slams and this way equal with Laver. Also I want him to win 6 straight wimbledons and beat Borg's record. I also think he is capable of winning the french open more times than 2 once he gets how to play in Roland Garros, but I will wait for the clay season next year to update my prediction for Federer's legendary future career. He must break every record out there, but I don't think he can beat Jimmy connors numbers of titles anyway..

Records to beat:

Jimmy Connor's 106 titles (86 to go..)
Agassi's 17 MAster series
Sampras' 5 master cup titles
Sampras' 6 years as nr1
Sampras' 14 grand slams
Sampras' 7 wimbledon titles
Mcenroe's 82 matches won during 1 year (this one he can do this year!)
Muster's 12 titles in 1 year (this one he could do this year)
Vilas 50-something straight matches won
Borg's 5 straight wimbledon titles
Roddick's 153 mph serve (hehe..)
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Re: How Roger is doing compared to the all time greats

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I truly believe that he can surpass Pete's record. I dont know if I want him to, just 'cause Pete is the love of my life, and it would be sad to see his record get broken, but, I think Roger can do it if he just never goes back to the way he was as a person who didnt know what to do with their gift, and as long as he stays dedicated and driven.
LOL, I sort of feel the same way about Roger winning the French --- I want Andre to remain the only career grand slam winner of the past 35 years, hehe. But I think Roger WILL win the French eventually. He's too good not to. As for reaching Pete's record, well that's a very tall task, only time will tell if he can do that. One slam at a time I guess...

It's very interesting looking at the trajectories of those great players' careers. There is really no pattern. Some start out with incredible results, and then can't seem to win majors any more, like McEnroe, Wilander, and Hingis. Others, like Emerson and Navratilova, are late bloomers. Some are fairly consistent throughout a long period. And then you have someone like Agassi, who unexpectedly goes from a good player to a great player by winning 5 slams AFTER the age of 28. So it just goes to show that it's hard to predict based on a player's current results.
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It's very interesting looking at the trajectories of those great players' careers. There is really no pattern. Some start out with incredible results, and then can't seem to win majors any more, like McEnroe, Wilander, and Hingis. Others, like Emerson and Navratilova, are late bloomers. Some are fairly consistent throughout a long period. And then you have someone like Agassi, who unexpectedly goes from a good player to a great player by winning 5 slams AFTER the age of 28. So it just goes to show that it's hard to predict based on a player's current results.
Very true MisterQ.

Though to me, very simple I just want one pattern from Rogi. To win Wimby every year till he retires, and then throwing in AO, FO and USO in turns yearly. Just 2 slams a year pattern, not too greedy
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Wow, many optimistic expectations here!
Here's my take (barring injury, boredom, etc):

1. Calendar year Grand Slam: possible, but I don't think he'll do it (would love to be proven wrong). I think the 3-slam year is repeatable, but will probably be as good as it gets.

2. Non-calendar year Grand Slam: an achievement that should have the same status as a CYGS (who said it had to start in January??). This is slightly easier and therefore a bit more likely. If he defends the AO coming up, then it could happen at RG in 2005. Still don't think he'll do it, but he might have another shot in a couple of years.

3. Career Grand Slam: most likely of these. To complete this, he only needs one very good year at RG in the rest of his career. However, from the interviews I've read over the past few days, it looks like he will still be concentrating more on defending Wimbledon, as that's the title that's most important to him. Does he really believe he can win Roland Garros? Until he does, I don't think he will.
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3. Career Grand Slam: most likely of these. To complete this, he only needs one very good year at RG in the rest of his career. However, from the interviews I've read over the past few days, it looks like he will still be concentrating more on defending Wimbledon, as that's the title that's most important to him. Does he really believe he can win Roland Garros? Until he does, I don't think he will.
You have a point but on the other hand I think this US Open victory came as a complete shock to him as well, in the interviews he was saying he never imagined he would be sitting here as a winner etc

I think the FO/Wimbledon double in the same year is almost impossible both physically and mentally, I am certain part of the reason Roger has looked almost unbeatable on grass is because of the early FO exits giving him more time to practice. Interesting that the one time Pete lost at Wimbledon between 1993-2000 is the one year that he went deep into the FO.
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I would like him to have a real go at the French Open and not use he doesn't like the Chartier court excuse, he handled gale-like conditions against the best wind player in the world in his home country, this is his real challenge.

makro, I would rather be a reasonable Federer fan, than someone who is arrogant and makes outlandish claims, I remember one clown saying after Federer lost at the Olympics, that he was burnt out, and that got proven wrong.

As long as he keeps on improving and not lose motivation, he has a good attitude, so that should help him, barring injury there are very good time ahead.
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