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What's next for Roger?

So basically, he lost one of the if not THE most important match of his life. We've all seen him recover from epic losses before, but I think this one tops them all.

I think he needs some changes in his game. His FH and serve were the only things keeping him in that match but it's obvious that his BH and volleys are worse. It also doesn't help that he's getting slower so he can't play the same baseline game he's been doing for years.

I had more to say but I'm kind of numb right now so I'll probaby add more later.
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Well, I do not see that he is slower. His FH and serve were great all the match, his backhand was also great, only from end set 3 en set 4 and 5.

I think he can come back, he is still the second best player in the world right now. Almost only Rafa can beat him.

And Rafa is playing the best of his life. We don't know if he will keep it up for a long time like federer did. Let's wait what the (faster then Wimbledon) hardcourt season has in store for us.

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Okay, maybe not his speed as much as his reactions. His return is not as great and he seems to be getting wrong-footed more. This also obviously contributes to his net play as he wasn't getting to volleys quick enough.
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Re: What's next for Roger?

Nadal's mixing up of his serve, BH, and Federer's lack of BH DTL won Nadal the match. Federer's FH and serve were really good to keep him in this thing.
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Roger will find out of it.
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Roger will find out of it.
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Nadal's mixing up of his serve, BH, and Federer's lack of BH DTL won Nadal the match. Federer's FH and serve were really good to keep him in this thing.
Exactly right. His serve and FH looked better than ever.

In addition to lack of a nice quick & flat DTL BH, I was pretty shocked how ineffective his perfectly executed slice was vs Nadal, the shot that worked great against everyone else. It worked almost to Nadal's advantage. Short slice was even worse. He almost has to force himself to play a one dimensional attacking game against Nadal. Rafa uses everything else to take control of the rally and then it's over.

Fed's not used to attacking serves but he really should work on that. Nadal has learnt to mix his 2nd serve up and hits it with lots of spin but compared to most guys it's still quite crap and 95% of time will go to BH.

I was there on centre court tonight, wish it had gone the other way but it was still a great match. As for what's next for Roger, I wish people wouldn't over dramatise so much.

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I can only hope.
Trust Roger~~~ this lost make him more stronger!!
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Roger will find out of it.
quote from batman begins movie: "why do we fall? so that we can learn to pick ourselves up" ... also... the saying goes that one can learn more out of a loss than a win...

i certainly hope this loss will kick some sense and motivation in roger now -- something which i think he has been rather lacking in the previous losses... to lose in what he considers THE MOST important tournament -- his "home ground" ... certainly will be upsetting and shocking for himself... he might take a while to pick himself up for the rest of the year and made necessary adjustments... so i won't be surprised if he doesn't end up with a slam this year...

but as all great champions in the past (other than borg who quitted early) ... there will be a time when he picks up later... roger still have quite a few years to go... although he will probably never be as dorminant as before -- NO ONE IN HISTORY had ever been as dorminant -- he CAN still win more slams and take the no.1 spot back (yes i considers his no.1 spot for the year to be gone) ...


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So basically, he lost one of the if not THE most important match of his life. We've all seen him recover from epic losses before, but I think this one tops them all.
His reaction to this defeat really says it all. It's the most hurting loss of his career and therefore it will be something different to recover from this match as for example from the RG final.

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I think he can come back, he is still the second best player in the world right now. Almost only Rafa can beat him.
Let's not forget Djokovic. Novak's best time of the season is coming now and he will be surely really motivated after his surprising early loss at Wimbledon.

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I was there on centre court tonight, wish it had gone the other way but it was still a great match.
How lucky for you to be able to attend such a match, though it would have been of course better if there would have been a happy end.

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As for what's next for Roger, I wish people wouldn't over dramatise so much.
Well, we see now what Roger had achieved almost weekly in the past. There has never been such a dominant phase of a career as the one he had. I'm sure he had high ambitions for this season. For nearly every player it would be a huge success to reach the SF and 2 finals of the GS, being in the finals of 2 Masters tournaments and winning 2 titles, but the Federer standard is different.

There are still some main challenges for Roger in the next months - Olympic Games, US Open and The Masters Cup. One can maybe argument that the Olympic Games are not that important for a tennisplayer, but apparently Roger cares a lot and it would hopefully give him the much needed selfconfidence to do well there.

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quote from batman begins movie: "why do we fall? so that we can learn to pick ourselves up" ... also... the saying goes that one can learn more out of a loss than a win...

i certainly hope this loss will kick some sense and motivation in roger now -- something which i think he has been rather lacking in the previous losses... to lose in what he considers THE MOST important tournament -- his "home ground" ... certainly will be upsetting and shocking for himself... he might take a while to pick himself up for the rest of the year and made necessary adjustments... so i won't be surprised if he doesn't end up with a slam this year...
How do you got the impression that he lacked motivation lately?

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but as all great champions in the past (other than borg who quitted early) ... there will be a time when he picks up later... roger still have quite a few years to go... although he will probably never be as dorminant as before -- NO ONE IN HISTORY had ever been as dorminant -- he CAN still win more slams and take the no.1 spot back (yes i considers his no.1 spot for the year to be gone) ...
Of course it's dumb to write Roger off at this stage of his career. I expect a seesaw at the rankings between him, Rafa and Novak.
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Well, first match back and it doesn't look like he's recovered yet. I've just about given up on this year, but I think he'll come back strong.
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Well, first match back and it doesn't look like he's recovered yet. I've just about given up on this year, but I think he'll come back strong.
When? Next year?
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to all of you.

It was nice while it lasted.
What do you mean by Aren't you going to be around here from now on?
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When? Next year?
Yeah, I don't see why not. His game or mentality isn't in the best place right now, but unlike a lot of people I don't see why he can't get over this.

Fed's far from over.
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