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I've always thought that points came from the whole year not from two tournaments.

I don't think, it's fair that Nalbandian could get to the TMC because he has had two good tournaments. Other players have worked more for the point IMO. On the other hand he has got the points from two tournaments and those points are enough. And it would make things very interesting. And I would love to see Roger beat him badly. And I know he can do it.
Well, it isn't that David just collected the points from the last two tournaments - in fact he even lost some in Basel -, although the majority of course came out from Madrid and Paris. What does it mean that other players have worked more for the points?

Would we really discuss about all this when the substitution player would be Haas, Murray or Baghdatis?
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I didn't say he was more deserving than any of those that have qualified. But I disagreed with you that it would be "a joke" if he did make it to Shanghai. His results over the course of the year are 9th best in the world. It doesn't matter if he got those points over 2 weeks or 52 weeks, he earned them fair.
No you're right. And if he makes it in as an alternate then of course that is fair and legit.

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Would we really discuss about all this when the substitution player would be Haas, Murray or Baghdatis?
No of course not, except maybe for Murray.

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While it was weak against Nalbandian, his loopy FH and overall weak serve pace wise hurt him even more I think. Nalbandian's BH is a like a left-handed FH that can create angles like no other BH so it will always trouble the Fed BH and has other than on a few occasions. The reason that Fed started dominating Nalbandian was because of the aggressive early FH and good serving alongside a steady BH.
What happened to the Roger that used to play aggressive first strike tennis? Initially the defensive mindset was limited to clay, but if he doesn't learn his lesson soon, he's going to face more tough losses in later rounds at important tournaments by players that take the initiative away from him and have the confidence to win against him.

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Federer
Davydenko
Ferrer
Gonzalez

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Federer
Djokovic
Roddick
Gasquet
Looks like one of (Djokovic, Nadal, Federer) is going to have to face the other two back to back in the semis/finals. From that perspective I'm not sure if having Djokovic in your group is a blessing or a curse. It'll be interesting to see how that plays out.
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What happened to the Roger that used to play aggressive first strike tennis? Initially the defensive mindset was limited to clay, but if he doesn't learn his lesson soon, he's going to face more tough losses in later rounds at important tournaments by players that take the initiative away from him and have the confidence to win against him.
Hopefully he's starting to figure this out. But it might take a few more losses ala Madrid and Paris for it to sink in. I would love to see him be more aggressive off the ROS. Actually just be more aggressive in general.

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i could envision a truly horrific group for nadal

nadal
djokovic
ferrer
nalbandian



substitute nadal for federer and he could have an equally tough group as well.

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Well, it isn't that David just collected the points from the last two tournaments - in fact he even lost some in Basel -, although the majority of course came out from Madrid and Paris. What does it mean that other players have worked more for the points?

Would we really discuss about all this when the substitution player would be Haas, Murray or Baghdatis?
Maybe that wasn't the right way to say it, but I think other players have been more consistent. I think Nalbandian is the best player right now, but I don't think it's enough for Shanghai...
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I post some pic of Roger in Shanghai in "Let's..."

Roger looks very conscientious and careful this year~, he show he not very welcome fans close to him~~ just I think, hope it is not true, he will not live in Hilton this year again, but also not four season, some news said he live in BOTEMAN this year~~
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Roger looks very conscientious and careful this year~, he show he not very welcome fans close to him~~
why are u saying that????

Let's not talk history yet. He's still making it.
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why are u saying that????
he don't tell anyone why he live, and he show carefully to the fans I think, just I think~~
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he don't tell anyone why he live, and he show carefully to the fans I think, just I think~~
Suk, don't be sad when Roger wants time for his own and doesn't tell anyone in which hotel he is staying. He has a job to do in Shanghai and needs all his concentration.
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i could envision a truly horrific group for nadal

nadal
djokovic
ferrer
nalbandian



substitute nadal for federer and he could have an equally tough group as well.
Apparenlty according to this article http://www.ole.clarin.com/notas/2007.../01534925.html Roddick will be in Shangahi. If that's the case then I guess the only question mark is Davydenko?

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I read over on Roger's website that apparently Nalbandian has said no thanks to TMC (as an alternate). Apparently he doesn't want to go not knowing if he'll play or not. I also heard that Roddick and Davydenko confirmed their participation, but I haven't seen anything official yet.

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Best group for Piggy:

Nadal
Fixer
Duck
Froggy
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Group out:

Roger with Davydenko, Roddick, Gonzalez

Nadal with Djokovic, Ferrer, Gasquet
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