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David deserves the YEC spot, definitly over Gasquet.

But I REALLY don't want him there.

How does the draw works? I mean, if he's number 8 cause Roddick isn't there - isn't he Roger's first match for sure???!!!!
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i dont know which better
nadal win paris and the points decreases between roger and nadal= but roger still has a chance to win in shanghai

or nalbandian win and roger has better chances in ranking next year,but it is very possible that nalbandian could be in roger's draw ,so he may defeat roger again and roger wll lose shanghai and loses points

i dont know whats better ...
can anyone tell me???

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Easiest possible group

Federer
Davydenko
Ferrer
Gonzalez

Hardest possible group

Federer
Djokovic
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Champions deserve whatever they win playing within the laws of the game
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David deserves the YEC spot, definitly over Gasquet.

But I REALLY don't want him there.

How does the draw works? I mean, if he's number 8 cause Roddick isn't there - isn't he Roger's first match for sure???!!!!
No.

#1/2 are each put into a different group at random

#3/4 are each put into a different group at random

#5/6 are each put into a different group at random

#7/8 are each put into a different group at random

Champions deserve whatever they win playing within the laws of the game
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David deserves the YEC spot, definitly over Gasquet.

But I REALLY don't want him there.

How does the draw works? I mean, if he's number 8 cause Roddick isn't there - isn't he Roger's first match for sure???!!!!
If he really deserved it over Gasquet he would be there outright because he'd have more points. But he didin't perform well enough at the slams (or really before Madrid).

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i dont know which better
nadal win paris and the points decreases between roger and nadal= but roger still has a chance to win in shanghai

or nalbandian win and roger has better chances in ranking next year,but it is very possible that nalbandian could be in roger's draw ,so he may defeat roger again and roger wll lose shanghai and loses points

i dont know whats better ...
can anyone tell me???
Just a thought: try not to look at things from Fed's perspective. I did it in the middle of this year and couldn't enjoy the game. IMO, the presence of Nalbandian/Murray in Shanghai would make a tournament more interesting than the presence of Roddick/Robredo/injured and messed up in a head Davydenko.
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i wish roger will play good and win the cup

nalbandian win the first set and break nadal in the second 6-4 2-0
nalby deserves to win he is playing very good

anyway good luck roger

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is that if Andy not go to Shanghai, David can come ?
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I just hope nalbandian won't go to Shanguai!
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roger needs to find his bh fast.

piggy, joker and donkey will exploit the crap out of that shot.
While it was weak against Nalbandian, his loopy FH and overall weak serve pace wise hurt him even more I think. Nalbandian's BH is a like a left-handed FH that can create angles like no other BH so it will always trouble the Fed BH and has other than on a few occasions. The reason that Fed started dominating Nalbandian was because of the aggressive early FH and good serving alongside a steady BH.
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Just a thought: try not to look at things from Fed's perspective. I did it in the middle of this year and couldn't enjoy the game. IMO, the presence of Nalbandian/Murray in Shanghai would make a tournament more interesting than the presence of Roddick/Robredo/injured and messed up in a head Davydenko.
Then they'd have to change the rules around TMC and save a spot or two for who ever is 'hot' at the moment or leave it to the discretion of the TD or something like that.

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Then they'd have to change the rules around TMC and save a spot or two for who ever is 'hot' at the moment or leave it to the discretion of the TD or something like that.
No. I'm not proposing it.
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What does it matter how David performed over the year? The fact is that he collected enough points in time to make it to No. 9 in the race and therefore he is the deserved substitution player for the TMC
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I've always thought that points came from the whole year not from two tournaments.

I don't think, it's fair that Nalbandian could get to the TMC because he has had two good tournaments. Other players have worked more for the point IMO. On the other hand he has got the points from two tournaments and those points are enough. And it would make things very interesting. And I would love to see Roger beat him badly. And I know he can do it.
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So he deserves to be there because he's hot right now even though he's sucked for most of the year? Even if he wins Paris he still wouldn't qualify based on race points, he'd only slip in if someone else withdraws. To me that does not equal totally deserving to be there, just because he's hot and playing well right now.

If Nalbandian was more deserving than some who qualified (or nearly qualified) then he would be there outright. Davydenko beat him at RG, Baggy beat him at Wimbledon and Ferrer beat him at the US Open. I don't care that he's the most talented player on tour. TMC should be about results over an entire year, not two weeks at the end of the year.
I didn't say he was more deserving than any of those that have qualified. But I disagreed with you that it would be "a joke" if he did make it to Shanghai. His results over the course of the year are 9th best in the world. It doesn't matter if he got those points over 2 weeks or 52 weeks, he earned them fair.
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