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At love 40 Gonzo hit an amazing passing shot, followed by an ace and then was in control of the next point forcing Federer to hit a running forehand just long. Roger didn't have much of a chance to convert any of those.
I suppose this should make me feel better, but it doesn't.

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I haven't seen the match myself but I saw someone's post that Fed was coming a lot more in the 1st set with good success and inexplicably resorted to trading ground strokes from the baseline in the 2nd and 3rd. Maybe you can confirm whether this was true or not.
True!! He did a terrific job at the net, first set!
Second set, third set~~very little net play~~from Rog.

I saw the entire match! TB=pathetic.
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crawling out of my bed... about to join the doom and gloom club, but stll positive. Not expecting this, especially after 1st set.

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These are some excerpts from 2004 interviews. Just food for your thoughts. (conditioning/training issue)

ROGER FEDERER: Well, it's not only since a year, I would say it's more over the last two or three years now I've been really playing with confidence since a long time. I had very little of dips, you know, where I wasn't playing well for a long time.

So I think a lot came when I started to improve really much was my condition, my physical strength, and then at the same time, you know, the mental part of my game also start to really become much more of an advantage because it used to be a disadvantage ‑ and I know that. I think this has made the biggest improvement in my game.

I think my backhand is much more consistent than it used to be. And I think this has just increased the whole level of game for me. I can play very consistent now. I'm not in a rush when I'm playing like I used to be sometimes.

ROGER FEDERER: Well, you know, a lot of things together really. I also feel, you know, what Lleyton says, I also feel the same thing. You know, matches before, like if I take an example, I think in 2000 when I played him in Davis Cup, it was one set all, he won the third set tiebreaker, I lost 6 1 in the fourth. Those are the kind of matches I wouldn't say happen to me regularly, because knowing he was so strong, I knew it was very difficult to come back. I would completely change my game, and it would backfire.

So now, because I have, you know, much more experience, I'm more confident, I know that I'm I have a solid base now also on the conditioning side and mental side. So for me things have really changed, and I look at tennis very different now than I used to


FEDERER: Oh, to me it just feels, also in between matches and on the court, I feel like I'm not losing too much energy. Before maybe there also was more of an unsecure (sic) feeling I had on the court, which made me become maybe more nervous, not sure of what I'm actually going to do. You know, if I would panic a few years ago, I would just start to serve and volley because I would feel like, well, my backhand's not working, so how does it work that I don't have to a backhand? Well, I come to net, so I have to hit volleys. So then I would get upset. This also wouldn't work.

So I had to just ‑‑ it's got a lot also to do with self‑confidence for me, just be able to understand the game itself.

Well, I still feel, you know, room for improvement on my backhand side. I would like to hit the backhand, you know, which comes higher to my backhand better. But I think a lot had to do with my backhand was my footwork. Now I'm in better position. Before I would be really lazy. I would be happy just to play a slice. But now if I can hit a drive backhand, it's better for my game. This has been the big improvement for me.
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Well, let's just say that I already figured out THAT part of the possible script.
Point is, I wouldn't be too surprised to see him lose another set along the way - and in THAT case I'd like to know what would be the best/worst outcomes possible for him.
Meh, it is not a big deal for me if that happens. Maybe he will get booted out, maybe he will get through but I am not going to look at the numbers like a Fednut.
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Where did this aura come from in 2004? Fed has been on tour since 1998. He was beaten regularly by everyone. And then , all of a sudden, he developes some aura.
it's nothing about whether he has to win everything or gets beaten once a while...

it's the kind of feeling that one has that for each game federer goes into... you would expect him to win it. and if he doesn't... it's a *BEEEEEP* MAJOR upset... and on top of that you will brush the defeat aside and STILL have that feeling that he will win every game he goes into after that... that's the aura he has...

as for now... every game he goes into... there is this slight doubt/concern that he may just get upset by anybody...



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it's nothing about whether he has to win everything or gets beaten once a while...

it's the kind of feeling that one has that for each game federer goes into... you would expect him to win it. and if he doesn't... it's a *BEEEEEP* MAJOR upset... and on top of that you will brush the defeat aside and STILL have that feeling that he will win every game he goes into after that... that's the aura he has...

as for now... every game he goes into... there is this slight doubt/concern that he may just get upset by anybody...



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These are some excerpts from 2004 interviews. Just food for your thoughts. (conditioning/training issue)

ROGER FEDERER: Well, it's not only since a year, I would say it's more over the last two or three years now I've been really playing with confidence since a long time. I had very little of dips, you know, where I wasn't playing well for a long time.

So I think a lot came when I started to improve really much was my condition, my physical strength, and then at the same time, you know, the mental part of my game also start to really become much more of an advantage because it used to be a disadvantage ‑ and I know that. I think this has made the biggest improvement in my game.

I think my backhand is much more consistent than it used to be. And I think this has just increased the whole level of game for me. I can play very consistent now. I'm not in a rush when I'm playing like I used to be sometimes.

ROGER FEDERER: Well, you know, a lot of things together really. I also feel, you know, what Lleyton says, I also feel the same thing. You know, matches before, like if I take an example, I think in 2000 when I played him in Davis Cup, it was one set all, he won the third set tiebreaker, I lost 6 1 in the fourth. Those are the kind of matches I wouldn't say happen to me regularly, because knowing he was so strong, I knew it was very difficult to come back. I would completely change my game, and it would backfire.

So now, because I have, you know, much more experience, I'm more confident, I know that I'm I have a solid base now also on the conditioning side and mental side. So for me things have really changed, and I look at tennis very different now than I used to


FEDERER: Oh, to me it just feels, also in between matches and on the court, I feel like I'm not losing too much energy. Before maybe there also was more of an unsecure (sic) feeling I had on the court, which made me become maybe more nervous, not sure of what I'm actually going to do. You know, if I would panic a few years ago, I would just start to serve and volley because I would feel like, well, my backhand's not working, so how does it work that I don't have to a backhand? Well, I come to net, so I have to hit volleys. So then I would get upset. This also wouldn't work.

So I had to just ‑‑ it's got a lot also to do with self‑confidence for me, just be able to understand the game itself.

Well, I still feel, you know, room for improvement on my backhand side. I would like to hit the backhand, you know, which comes higher to my backhand better. But I think a lot had to do with my backhand was my footwork. Now I'm in better position. Before I would be really lazy. I would be happy just to play a slice. But now if I can hit a drive backhand, it's better for my game. This has been the big improvement for me.
Yes, EW conditioning is very important for him since he relies so much on footwork and we in fact commented on it throughout the year (especially his bad positioning during the execution of his running forehand).

If he had indeed become lazy, he will lose more matches and hopefully realize why. Based on the comments that you took time to collate however, I would think that he would be even more careful to not lose conditioning since he realizes just how important that is to his game.

He could just as easily be mentally off and no amount of conditioning is going to rectify that. As an example, if his relationship with Mirka has gone south, how will conditioning help?

Anyway, I haven't watched the match but apparently it was a combination of Roger freezing up during big points and Gonzo playing with nothing to lose.

After he won the USO, I predicted that it would be very hard for him to win the three slams he requires to take over the total # of slams won and I still stand by that for two reasons:

1) Intense pressure of expectations
2) He has this tendency to break down when a record is looming - 2005 when he could have beaten JMac's record and IW this year when he was after the 44 straight wins record.

In the end, him being booted out of TMC could be a blessing in disguise since people won't be too quick to predict him winning all the time and may actually describe him as an over the hill player.
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I would think that he would be even more careful to not lose conditioning since he realizes just how important that is to his game.
He's no robot. He can't practice/work out and play with the same level of intensity every year.

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He could just as easily be mentally off and no amount of conditioning is going to rectify that. As an example, if his relationship with Mirka has gone south, how will conditioning help?
We don't have any information about tragic events in his life. Normally, winning AO/W/USO should improve someone's confidence.

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He has this tendency to break down when a record is looming - 2005 when he could have beaten JMac's record and IW this year when he was after the 44 straight wins record.
Then we should forget about him winning GS titles. These 2 records are relatively unimportant. I'd say- first, win 13th and 14th Slam and then start thinking about breaking the record.

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I suppose this should make me feel better, but it doesn't.
Mirkaland, I just noticed you changed your username? Nothing bad going on, I hope?

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Mirkaland, I just noticed you changed your username? Nothing bad going on, I hope?
Nah, that user name is giving me bad vibes. Every time I log in it reminds me of Roger and his second set blues. I should have changed it a long time ago.

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http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/spo...cle2858794.ece

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“I'm not going to get too down on myself right now,” he said. “But I'll definitely assess the situation of what do I need for next year at the end of the season. The conversation will come up about the coaching situation, no matter if I win the tournament here or whether I lose the next two matches. That's not going to change. So I'm going to be looking into how I'm going to attack next year."
Also from the same article....I like this comment

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He's no robot. He can't practice/work out and play with the same level of intensity every year.
Yes, and that is why he has to choose the events he is most interested in and he has expressed often that he considers TMC important enough for conditioning not to be the problem.

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We don't have any information about tragic events in his life. Normally, winning AO/W/USO should improve someone's confidence.
It is not that black and white precisely because he is not a robot. You can't divorce Roger as a homo sapien from Roger the professional automaton.

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Then we should forget about him winning GS titles. These 2 records are relatively unimportant. I'd say- first, win 13th and 14th Slam and then start thinking about breaking the record.
No, he should get over the pressure by pacing himself to peak at slams both physically and mentally. Yes, this means that he has to let go in "lesser" tournaments and not let loses like today affect him. I think losing at non-clay slams is going to be hardest for him to digest.

It is going to be an interesting 2008.
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Also from the same article....I like this comment
Thanks for the quotes. Yep, I like those comments. He will try to develop a game plan for next year

I like the new name

And on that note, I'm done with the doom and gloom. Roger hasn't had a very good indoor season.........thankfully, neither has Rafa or the point difference could be closer. Hopefully, things will be better for next year. I still think Roger can win this tournament if he focuses.



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What is going on with our Fedbot?
He's losing matches left and right.
But in a way, he feels more human, so I don't mind it that much as long as he wins a couple more Slams and keeps #1 ranking next year.

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