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Angry Has our Rogi gotten arrogant?

Some stuff being discussed here.

Just look through page 7-9, most of the stuff is discussed there.

I hope Rogi hasn't changed like others have said!

What do you guys think?
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Re: Has our Rogi gotten arrogant?

Maybe I have a twisted mind but I like to hear players saying that they are good, they are the best, that they are feeling good, that they feel they can play great tennis and beat everyone... (Like the post Safin postmatch interview after his lost in Hambourg.... ).

A lot is in the way it's said and Rogi looked so cute, smiling when he said those words that could be interpreted for arrogance when read without context and not heard.. But for me, it wasn't...

Could be strange to hear the #1, or #2, or #3, .... in the world saying that after a win, well, he's not playing that well, it was just luck and everybody finally can beat them!

btw Dirk, good answers in the discussion about that in Coria forum!
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Re: Has our Rogi gotten arrogant?

Yeah, I didn't take it badly as well. I thought it was a sign of confidence and expectation of himself. Of course Federer wouldn't have said it before, he wasn't as mentally strong and consistant.

Let's all hope that Rogi will not actually get arrogant though! *fingers crossed*
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Re: Has our Rogi gotten arrogant?

Like I had said, he might seem overconfidence or a tiny bit arrogance sometimes, but it normal when you are an athlete, especially with all the praise and being no1 . You know even when people are kissing his ass like when they ask if he consider himself a favorite for RG, he would be joking around and saying that he need to past first round first. Last week, he even when off at the reporters by saying that Costa is a great players and it is direspectful that he were not given credit.So, you know people are always quick on pointing the bad things about a player. For instance, Roddick isn't as arrogant as people said, my friend met him. I think that people think he has gotten arrogant just because he is more confidence than again I don't know him.

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Re: Has our Rogi gotten arrogant?

Thanks a lot for the explanation Shy. Yeah, I was worried a bit at first, cause Roger didn't use to be this confident. But now that he is confident people think he is arrogant. As long as he can back it up, I am happy.
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Re: Has our Rogi gotten arrogant?

Jonh Macenroe once said that an athlete need to have at least an inch of arrogance to perform well in individual sport.
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Re: Has our Rogi gotten arrogant?

no, I deny to say that Federer was arrogant in his interview. I think that was PURE confidence. Becker stated that Roger is certainly realizing (he can deal more and more better with him as #1) that he is the number one and there is nothing wrong at all if you to have confidence if you are winning matches like Roger did. Becker said he finally likes it that Federer is not always just hiding and understating, but also saying "hey, I can beat everyone on every surface!". I agree with Becker in that point. If you ARE winning like Roger does and if you let your results speak for themselves like Roger does, there is nothing wrong at all.

I remember very well that he was asked in a interview right after his match against Hewitt today in German TV how he was playing. He said (in German) he was very glad with game and he also mastered the most difficult part of the match, what was not winning 6-0, but putting Hewitt finally away and slamming the door after he got broken back. Roger said it was the most difficult part of the match not letting Hewitt coming back as he broke back to make it 5-4*, but instantly breaking Hewitt's serve again to close out the match.

He was also asked if he can understand the people who were mainly cheering for Hewitt in the 2nd set. Roger said something like "yes, of course, I can understand that. The people here want to see more tennis, they want to see a third set or maybe a tiebreak, but I can't allow that because if you let it slip away you can find yourself down and trailing quickly. It could be a fatal breakup in my game. Sorry (with a little shyly smile), but I may show no mercy". (it's not exactly word by word, but it's 100% the sense). Roger said "it was one of my best matches on clay!" He was also very optimistic rating his chances for tomorrow: "I didn't expect winning so easily, but now I'm realizing that I have good chances to win this tournament."

Finally he was asked for his prospect concerning Roland Garros and Roger said "winning of course" and one question was also "what do your opponents have to do in order to beat you?" Roger: "they have to just play tennis, but a mediocre form on that day will probably not be enough against me".

BTW, Roger also mentioned Coria's incredible winning streak and said that he couldn't have gotten a tougher opponent. So there is not disrespect to his opponents at all.

the only thing I see there in Roger's words is that he has HUGE confidence, maybe it reads arrogant if you just read his words, but it absolutely wasn't arrogant if you heard him talking and answering the questions. He wasn't unfriendly, or short-spoken or didn't act exclusive. In my eyes, what I saw was a confident (not over-confident) player who feels that he is in good form.

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Re: Has our Rogi gotten arrogant?



Thanks for the analysis Neely!!
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Re: Has our Rogi gotten arrogant?

No.

People who said that just didn't read all his interviews or watch him in the interviews. He doesn't have any sign of arrogance except for confident. It's a pity some likes to just pick on part of it then make a big deal out of it. I don't even know which part of his interviews actually showed even a slight sign of "arrogance" that's not justifiable? He always analysed the matches or his opponents in the most honest and sincere way. If the opponents played lousy and gave him the match, he will say so, or if the opponent was tired and played more matches than him, he will say so, or if the opponent make errors and gave him the advantage, he will say so. Same as if he simply play too good, he will say so too. Commenting on him being "arrogant" on court is even more laughable. He's one player who plays the least "intimidating" acts to his opponents on court, the only way he intimidates his opponents is just his tennis. The thing is people will always choose to see what they like to see, most importantly is Roger to stay himself and not be affected by that which he had been so far.

Besides with the way he's playing right now, trying to understate that will be just fake imo. I'm glad he's not.

Neely, good post.
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Re: Has our Rogi gotten arrogant?

Probably the arrogant quote is this one......

I'm good enough to beat all these people. I know that. I showed that to myself after the last two matches. Therefore I'm looking forward to every match. It doesn't matter whom I will play on clay. As long as my level is alright. I consider myself to be a clay court specialist as well, otherwise I wouldn't have won tournaments like Munich and Hamburg and the finals in Rome and the Davis Cup matches. I know how good I am."

It does just sound like honesty, Roger always says it how it is, he has always been like that. I remmember early in his career when he went up against Agassi prior to the match Roger said something like "Obviously I want to win but I don't think I am good enough to beat Agassi at this stage but I will give it 100%".

Arrogance to me is if Roger said "Hewitt has very little chance against me if I play anywhere close to my best".
What Roger said prior to the Moya match was just his belief that if his playing well he has a chance to beat any clay court specialists on clay and that is true.
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Re: Has our Rogi gotten arrogant?

At the end of the day, if Roger continues to play as well as he has this year he will gain more and more haters who will find any excuse to criticise him, everyone likes a underdog but once you actually get to the top you are suddenly not so well liked.
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Re: Has our Rogi gotten arrogant?

Very true wyvern and if people bother to read his interview after he beat Moya, he acknowledged that it's tough for Moya to play back to back TMS especially coming from previous one as winner. If he's arrogant, he will just focus the win on him being good, beating a player who had been on great form, that's all.

Arrogance to me is maybe after he was beaten by Costa, he just blamed it on him not playing his best, instead he analysed it well that Costa changed tactics, becoming more aggressive in 2nd set and he just couldn't cope with it. Even after his loss to Nadal, he just said that the 17 years old was too good for him that day downplaying the fact that he's recovering from sickness.

I hate arrogant people, that's why I hate people saying Roger is arrogant when he's clearly not, I don't know why people can't see it really
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Re: Has our Rogi gotten arrogant?

Well said guys. I can't see anything wrong with his interview either. What's so wrong with him believing that he can beat any guys? I will be more worried if he said he is only lucky to beat those clay courters. He should have that confidence to hold on to his #1. If he doesn't believe he can beat a guy prior to a match, he already lost the match before it starts.
Some of the comments in the Coria forum are funny though as they are so unreasonable. They said it is ok for thinking like he can beat any guys but not say it out loud? LOL, so being fake is better than honesty it seems.

Very true Wyv, if Rogi keep going this well, we will have a Swiss Chesse Melter thread in GM soon.
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yes, i
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