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Can Agassi finish ahead of Sampras in history?

Andre Agassi has 8 slams right now. I feel like he will win the Australian Open considering how close he came this year to beating Safin, plus a lot of players are not on their game in January and Andre is at his absolute fittest after the intense Christmas training. So Australian Open takes it to 9.

I do not think he will win the French Open. I think he can win Wimbledon if Federer is somehow eliminated. I think Agassi would be the favorite against ANYONE in the world on grass apart from Federer. Lets assume that Federer is not eliminated though and Agassi doesn't winning Wimbledon.

I like Andre's chances in the US Open next year, I think he can beat Federer on hardcourts enough for him to beat him in the next US Open. I don't think Roddick would beat Agassi.

So I'm thinking that by the end of next year, barring injury Agassi will have 10 grand slam wins. He will have definitely won the Australian Open, and will win either Wimbledon or the US Open (most likely the US Open).

The key really is the Australian Open. It is his best surface and he is virtually unbeatable down under and was unlucky not to win it this year. Winning the Australian Open each year is his biggest chance at challenging the Sampras slam record.

10 slam wins by the end of next year. And due to that great form obviously there will be no retirement and we'll wait and see if he can add to the 10 after that.

I'm thinking about 11 or 12 is quite possible. Considering he's won all 4 slams on 4 different surfaces and a gold medal I think achieving 11 or 12 slam wins would be enough to overtake Sampras in history and be the Greatest Of All Time.
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Re: Can Agassi finish ahead of Sampras in history?

People will say that the Head to Head record favors Pete too much for Agassi to be considered better. But its irrelevant. Due to styles of play, Head to Head records don't tell you who the better player is. Some players have trouble with lesser ranked opponents due to how they matchup tactically. For example, Agassi is ranked 9, Roddick is ranked 2, however Agassi is 5-1 Head to Head and will most likely continue to beat him next year.
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Re: Can Agassi finish ahead of Sampras in history?

Andre can win Oz and the Open but I don't see him doing it in the same year next year. I really think though that the next Oz is the last shot Andre really has.
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Re: Can Agassi finish ahead of Sampras in history?

If Agassi can make it to 10 Slams then he can be compared to Sampras by the fact that he has won all 4 slams + the Olympics.

However you have to take into consideration that Sampras was a no.1 player for far longer time than Agassi and with emergence of Federer it will be tough for Agassi to reach no.1 again.

So although Agassi is a better all course player he was never as dominant as Sampras.

Now Borg, Emerson & Laver (since 60s) I would put in the same tier as Sampras.
Emerson & Laver have won all four slams and were no.1 for a time
Borg was dominant during his shortish career (11 slams before retiring at 26)


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I'm thinking about 11 or 12 is quite possible.
Andre is going to win 1 more slam at the most, and even there he will need a good draw, no long matches and for someone to take out some other players that are major threats.

Andre has had a career going for close to 20 years yet he is going to increase his slam total by a 3rd after the age of 34?
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Re: Can Agassi finish ahead of Sampras in history?

Even if he doesnt win more grand slams, the question is:What is for you the "best players"?
The one that wins more grand slams? Thats Sampras
The one that can play in any surface and win? Andre Agassi
The one that still at 34 prove to be a great one? Andre Agassi
The one that is the most charismatic and make you fell like you are in the court with him, when you really are miles ago watching it on TV? Andre Agassi

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Re: Can Agassi finish ahead of Sampras in history?

I would love to see him win another slam. But I don't think he will catch Sampras. *sigh* There are plenty of "couldas" surrounding this issue: I think that if Agassi had been more dedicated at certain points in his early career; if he had been able to win some of those finals and semis that he lost; if he had played the Australian Open and Wimbledon more in his early career; I think he could have been in that very top tier of players which Yoda mentioned. But of course, we all know these "ifs" are ultimately meaningless... As it is, I think Agassi should not be aiming to match Sampras, but he does still have a chance to improve his standing among other greats like McEnroe, Connors and Lendl. The fact that we are even having this conversation is rather remarkable, considering that in the beginning of 1999 he was several tiers below all those players.

As kyki84 was suggesting, Agassi's career legacy will have a lot to do with intangibles. He is arguably the best pure ball-striker ever; the best returner. He can play on all surfaces and is pushing 20 years as a top player (with an occasional dip in the rankings). He has won every tournament worth winning (except Montel Carlo and Hamburg) and Davis Cup. His turbulent career has had some amazing comebacks. There is a sense of electricity and excitement when he plays. It's hard to reflect some of these things in statistics.
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Re: Can Agassi finish ahead of Sampras in history?

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Andre is going to win 1 more slam at the most, and even there he will need a good draw, no long matches and for someone to take out some other players that are major threats.

Andre has had a career going for close to 20 years yet he is going to increase his slam total by a 3rd after the age of 34?
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I never liked Sampras, Andre is the best.

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Re: Can Agassi finish ahead of Sampras in history?

Believe me, I would love Agassi to get to 12 Slams.....and then I would argue his case as being a better player than Sampras.

But until then Sampras, Borg, Laver & Emerson are on a tier above the rest when it comes down to tennis achievements.

However when it comes down to Longevity - then Agassi is definitely up there but still not on the level to Connors (again concerning players since 60s).

Charisma - This is down to the individual. I love Agassi demeanor and humility (something that age has improved). Whilst some people like the in your face exuberance of Roddick , or haphazardness of Safin. :retard:

If Federer gets knocked early in any slams I'll be rooting for Agassi


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Re: Can Agassi finish ahead of Sampras in history?

A question which can be applied today is the following:

How does Agassi's career fare vs. that of McEnroe, Connors and Lendl? Personally I would have trouble ranking those four players. There are many arguments for and against each one...
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Re: Can Agassi finish ahead of Sampras in history?

Lendl said once that he considers Agassi greater than him, because of Agassi's career slam.

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Re: Can Agassi finish ahead of Sampras in history?

Andre looks set to play at least 3-4 more events this year. Him and Federer have had 2 close matches this year. I think the next match Andre will take him out. Its mostly indoors and Andre's serve will be very difficult to break. Hope he further improves his net game and even serve and volleys on crucial points. He will make Fedrere play low percentage .
I think he will carry this momentum into 2005 and win a few big tournaments. Easily Andre is the 2nd best today.

Andre should start attacking Federers serve from the first game itself.Stand within the baseline and just block the serve , deny Federer any angles. Once Federer starts working the angles on his serve , its a no win situation. Federer must not get into a service rythm.

I have bought a tuner card for my laptop and will record every Agassi match from now on ....
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Rogi will just S&V on Andre then if Andre can block them back by standing inside the baseline. Oz is really Andre's last chance next year. I would love to see him win another title this year.
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Re: Can Agassi finish ahead of Sampras in history?

I don't think he can finish ahead of Sampras, but to have won eight slams overall and, most importantly, the career grand slam, means that he is definitely up there with the all-time greats of tennis history. And the fact that Agassi won five of his eight slams after he turned 29, and was the world number one as late as the age of 32, is amazing.

And I still think he can still win another slam; AO would be his best chance and it's only a few months away. Winning his ninth slam would also separate him from the others who have also won eight, and put him alone into sixth place on the all-time Grand Slam winners table.
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