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Re: Brad Gilbert 0-16 Lifetime vs Lendl

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Gilbert was a useless counterpunching mug (he's a fan of Wozniacki's game ) and Lendl was a legend. The h2h of 50-0 would not do him justice, considering the gap in skill.
I don't accept your characterization of Gilbert as a "mug." He had a really nice career. Mugs do not have a 64.3 lifetime winning percentage. It is obvious that Gilbert just did not match up well against Lendl. You would figure that with that many matches he would have squeezed out one win, but nope, not one. Just a real unique set of circumstances here.
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I think Federer is getting close with Ferrer, 13-0 and counting

I don't think Pics has ever gotten MP vs him.

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Re: Brad Gilbert 0-16 Lifetime vs Lendl

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Gilbert was a really solid player. His lifetime record was 519-288, he won 20 titles, and he was ranked as high as world #4 (in 1990). But he faced absolute and total futility against Lendl, never beating him in 16 matches. I think this may be the most lopsided H2H ever for players who played each other at least 15 times. Are there other lifetime bagels out there? Any info would be appreciated.
Borg vs Gerulaitis (as mentioned earlier in this thread) is also 16-0 although Vitas snuck in a WO win (see below). Noone is worse. Federer - Youzhny (currently 14-0) is the best active prospect for a new record.
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Re: H2H Turkeys: When being a pigeon just isn't enough. 10+ differential required

Novak Djokovic vs. Stanislas Wawrinka

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2004 Aachen CH		32	Carpet  (I) Djokovic	6-2 6-3
2006 Umag		F	Clay    (O) Wawrinka	6-6(1) RET
2006 Davis Cup 2006	RR	Hard   	(I) Djokovic	6-4 3-6 2-6 7-6(3) 6-4
2006 Vienna		16	Hard   	(I) Wawrinka	3-6 3-6
2007 Vienna		F	Hard   	(I) Djokovic	6-4 6-0
2008 Indian Wells	Q	Hard   	(O) Djokovic	7-6(5) 6-2
2008 Rome		F 	Clay   	(O) Djokovic	4-6 6-3 6-3
2009 Indian Wells	16	Hard   	(O) Djokovic	7-6(7) 7-6(6)
2009 Monte Carlo	S 	Clay   	(O) Djokovic	4-6 6-1 6-3
2009 Basel		Q 	Hard   	(I) Djokovic	3-6 7-6(5) 6-2
2010 Monte Carlo	16	Clay   	(O) Djokovic	6-4 6-4
2011 Rome		16	Clay   	(O) Djokovic	6-4 6-1
2012 Madrid		16	Clay   	(O) Djokovic	7-6(5) 6-4
2012 US Open		16	Hard  	(O) Djokovic	6-4 6-1 3-1 RET
Djokovic leads 12-2

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I definitely would have preferred Gaba winning as he needs the points much more, but Jan would have beaten him anyway. I expect Hajek to destroy Machado, like 6-1 6-2.
Machado wins 6-2 6-1
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Re: H2H Turkeys: When being a pigeon just isn't enough. 10+ differential required

David Ferrer vs. Nicolas Almagro


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2006	Cincinnati	32	Hard (O)	Ferrer	4-6 7-6(1) 6-0
2006	U.S. Open	128	Hard (O)	Ferrer	7-6(1) 7-6(6) 6-1
2007	Båstad		F	Clay (O)	Ferrer	6-1 6-2
2008	Valencia	F	Clay (O)	Ferrer	4-6 6-2 7-6(2)
2009	Valencia	32	Hard (O)	Ferrer	7-5 6-7(3) 6-2
2011	Acapulco	F	Clay (O)	Ferrer	7-6(4) 6-7(2) 6-2
2011	Barcelona	SF	Clay (O)	Ferrer	6-3 6-4
2011	Båstad		SF	Clay (O)	Ferrer	6-1 6-3
2012	Buenos Aires	F	Clay (O)	Ferrer  4-6 6-3 6-2
2012	Madrid		16	Clay (O)	Ferrer  7-6(5) 3-6 7-6 (8)
2012	Båstad		F	Clay (O)	Ferrer	6-2 6-2
2012	Valencia	QF	Hard (I)	Ferrer	6-3 7-5
Ferrer leads 12-0

On Nadal bumping him on the changeover, Rosol said: "It's ok, he wanted to take my concentration; I knew he would try something".


Wilander on Dimitrov - "He has mind set on imitating Federer and yes it looks good. But he has no idea what to do on the court".

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I definitely would have preferred Gaba winning as he needs the points much more, but Jan would have beaten him anyway. I expect Hajek to destroy Machado, like 6-1 6-2.
Machado wins 6-2 6-1
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Re: H2H Turkeys: When being a pigeon just isn't enough. 10+ differential required

Roger Federer vs. Juan Martin del Potro

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2012 Basel		Hard (I) F	Del Potro 6-4 6-7(5) 7-6(3)
2012 Olympics  		Grass (O) SF 	Federer 3-6 7-6(5) 19-17
2012 Roland Garros 	Clay (O) QF 	Federer 3-6 6-7(4) 6-2 6-0 6-3
2012 Indian Wells	Hard (O) QF 	Federer 6-3 6-2
2012 Dubai 		Hard (O) SF 	Federer 7-6(5) 7-6(6)
2012 Rotterdam 		Hard (I) F 	Federer 6-1 6-4
2012 Australian Open 	Hard (O) Q 	Federer 6-4 6-3 6-2
2011 Cincinnati 	Hard (O) 32 	Federer 6-3 7-5
2009 TMC 		Hard (I) RR 	Del Potro 6-2 6-7(5) 6-3
2009 US Open 		Hard (O) F 	Del Potro 3-6 7-6(5) 4-6 7-6(4) 6-2
2009 Roland Garros 	Clay (O) S 	Federer 3-6 7-6(2) 2-6 6-1 6-4
2009 Madrid 		Clay (O) S 	Federer 6-3 6-4
2009 Australian Open 	Hard (O) Q 	Federer 6-3 6-0 6-0
2008 Madrid 		Hard (I) Q 	Federer 6-3 6-3
2007 Basel 		Hard (I) 16 	Federer 6-1 6-4
2007 Wimbledon 		Grass(O) 64 	Federer 6-2 7-5 6-1
Federer leads 13-3

On Nadal bumping him on the changeover, Rosol said: "It's ok, he wanted to take my concentration; I knew he would try something".


Wilander on Dimitrov - "He has mind set on imitating Federer and yes it looks good. But he has no idea what to do on the court".

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I definitely would have preferred Gaba winning as he needs the points much more, but Jan would have beaten him anyway. I expect Hajek to destroy Machado, like 6-1 6-2.
Machado wins 6-2 6-1
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Re: H2H Turkeys: When being a pigeon just isn't enough. 10+ differential required

Roger Federer vs. David Ferrer

2012 World Tour Finals London UK Hard RR Federer 6-4, 7-6
2012 Madrid Spain Clay Q Federer 6-4, 6-4
2011 World Tour Finals London, UK Hard S Federer 7-5, 6-3
2010 World Tour Finals London, UK Hard RR Federer 6-1, 6-4
2010 Madrid Spain Clay S Federer 7-5, 3-6, 6-3
2009 Cincinnati OH, U.S.A. Hard R16 Federer 3-6, 6-3, 6-4
2007 Tennis Masters Cup China Hard F Federer 6-2, 6-3, 6-2
2007 Hamburg Germany Clay Q Federer 6-3, 4-6, 6-3
2007 Monte Carlo Monaco Clay Q Federer 6-4, 6-0
2006 Basel Switzerland Carpet Q Federer 6-3, 7-6(14)
2006 Monte Carlo Monaco Clay Q Federer 6-1, 6-3
2006 Miami FL, U.S.A. Hard S Federer 6-1, 6-4
2005 Doha Qatar Hard R32 Federer 6-1, 6-1
2003 Vienna Austria Hard R32 Federer 6-2, 6-2

Federer leads 14-0
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Borg vs Gerulaitis (as mentioned earlier in this thread) is also 16-0 although Vitas snuck in a WO win (see below). Noone is worse. Federer - Youzhny (currently 14-0) is the best active prospect for a new record.
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I've mentioned in this thread it's 17-0 not 16-0... ATP doesn't show their Davis Cup encounter in 1978 which Borg won 6-3 6-1

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I've mentioned in this thread it's 17-0 not 16-0... ATP doesn't show their Davis Cup encounter in 1978 which Borg won 6-3 6-1
I know now, figured it out in the meantime. Still, thanks for the info.

Borg and Lendl (vs Connors) are the only ones I know with 17 wins in a row from any starting point.
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Re: H2H Turkeys: When being a pigeon just isn't enough. 10+ differential required

Fed's turkeys:

Andy Roddick 21–3
Lleyton Hewitt 18–8
Nikolay Davydenko 17–2
Robin Söderling 16–1
David Ferrer 14–0
Mikhail Youzhny 14–0
Jarkko Nieminen 13–0
Juan Martín del Potro 13–3
Ivan Ljubičić 13–3
Fernando González 12–1
Stanislas Wawrinka 12–1
Feliciano López 10–0
Tommy Robredo 10–0


17 + 6 > 14 + 0
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Fed's turkeys:

Andy Roddick 21–3
Lleyton Hewitt 18–8
Nikolay Davydenko 17–2
Robin Söderling 16–1
David Ferrer 14–0
Mikhail Youzhny 14–0
Jarkko Nieminen 13–0
Juan Martín del Potro 13–3
Ivan Ljubičić 13–3
Fernando González 12–1
Stanislas Wawrinka 12–1
Feliciano López 10–0
Tommy Robredo 10–0

Basicly almost all top players from his era.

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Roger needs to watch out for DelPo. That one seems rebellious.


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Roger needs to watch out for DelPo. That one seems rebellious.
Delpo has always been a rebelious turkey: taking a GS away from his masters, beating him in his hometown tournament, pretty much ending his hopes at Olympic gold (despite losing the match). I'm afraid Federer needs to make that birdcage a bit tigher
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Delpo has always been a rebelious turkey: taking a GS away from his masters, beating him in his hometown tournament, pretty much ending his hopes at Olympic gold (despite losing the match). I'm afraid Federer needs to make that birdcage a bit tigher
Im affraid Olderer will cement his turkey in 2 days. Shame tho.

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Basicly almost all top players from his era.

Yes. Against Safin he has a great record (although most matches were pretty close, at least before 2006).

The only player from his generation who managed to have a respectable H2H against Federer was Nalbandian probably. Federer leads 11-8 (won the last 3, they were 8-8).

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