[QUOTE=Groove Dude;11598490]Loving the discussion
Its tough for me to put Hoad up much higher (though I will put him up to #36), due to his inconsistency. Yeah Gonzales and Kramer and Laver and Rosewall and the rest all said that Hoad at his best was better than anyone, but we hear that in recent eras in regards to guys like Rios, Safin, and Nalbandian. Should Safin be higher than 53? This list I try to reward consistency and longevity.
Groove Dude, what are your standards for consistency and longevity? Didn't Gonzales and Rosewall know something about consistency when they rated Hoad at #1?
Hoad was very consistent from 1956 to about 1964, that is from ages 21 to 29, prime years for a player. In 1958 and 1959, he won the pro bonus money pool for the best overall record for those calendar years. In 1960, playing part-time, he won a four-man tour of Australia/New Zealand, and played in 8 tournament finals, all against Rosewall, winning four (including the two most important).
In 1958 and 1959, his overall record against Gonzales was 62 wins and 72 losses (winning 23 to 21 in 1959), including two stretches of ten-game losses when his back would not allow him to play well. Also, he won his matches against Gonzales both years at the Forest Hills Pro, the most prestigious pro tournament.
In 1963, he won a head to head against Laver 13 matches to 0, and in 1964 won a four-man tour against Laver, Rosewall, and Anderson (beating Laver 3 matches to 1).
Hoad's consistency numbers are comparable to other major players, and the number of challenging, high-calibre matches he played per year exceeds the numbers of Federer or Sampras.