Johnny Groove's Top 69 Players Ever (Djokovic #11 of all time, Wawrinka #56) - Page 27 - MensTennisForums.com

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5/5- Almost 100% spot on, Mr. Groove. I may switch a few around here or there, but good work 68 18.43%
4/5- More or less. I disagree with a few, but not bad at all 154 41.73%
3/5- Hmmmm, I dunno. Some look a bit dicey, mate 53 14.36%
2/5- Are you nuts? Why is X player in Y position? You are completely dissing Z player! 19 5.15%
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Re: Professor Johnny Groove's Top 55 tennis players of all time (Djokovic up to #31)

Hoad must be much higher.. but this is all really hard to compare cause it was all too much different than today

Lew wanted to skip US Open 1956 cause he might find it difficult to pay expenses for both himself and his wife (Djokovic can feed half of Serbia)!! Of course, he changed his mind and in the end he was one match away from Grand Slam (in US Open final Rosewall revenge Wimbledon and Australia losses

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You imagine Laver to play with his wooden racket, aren't you?
no give him the most modern rackets and he will still get destroyed by Fed
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Say Roger and Laver played in 2006 with Laver at his peak....Roger would win 6-1 6-2 6-1
And this is based on what? Your intimate knowledge of Laver's game or tennis in the 60's? Please.

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And this is based on what? Your intimate knowledge of Laver's game or tennis in the 60's? Please.
by knowing that people that played tennis in the 60s are no match for Almagro today let alone Fed
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by knowing that people that played tennis in the 60s are no match for Almagro today let alone Fed
Your own personal affirmations do nothing for your argument, sorry.

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by knowing that people that played tennis in the 60s are no match for Almagro today let alone Fed
Just by looking at the players on the pro circuit today, you can see that they are inferior athletes to the top ten or so players in the 1960's. Players like Gonzales, Hoad, Emerson, Laver, Anderson, Cooper were super-conditioned and could play marathon five-set matches without tiring. They also happened to be much more attractive to watch then players today.
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Just by looking at the players on the pro circuit today, you can see that they are inferior athletes to the top ten or so players in the 1960's. Players like Gonzales, Hoad, Emerson, Laver, Anderson, Cooper were super-conditioned and could play marathon five-set matches without tiring. They also happened to be much more attractive to watch then players today.
do yourself a favor and dont post here again .....this must be the most stupid thing I ever read in my life ....by far
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this is ridiculous, don't compare active and inactive players. You can hardly compare different generations as well.
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What about Bjorn Borg? You saw him play. He must have been a Genius?
I did see Borg once at Forest Hills, and he was the most boring great player I ever saw. The only time he was worth watching was at Wimbledon or playing Connors and McEnroe. Your description of Rosewall is not only evil but incredibly stupid. Assuming that list is true, the fact is, Ken played all these great players and perhaps Lew and Poncho at their best were harder for him to beat than Laver. Overall, Laver does have the better H-H, but not in the biggest matches. In the Pro Slams and Open Era biggest matches, Rosewall has the edge especially when you add in the 71-72 WCT finals after Rod won the 69 Grand Slam. Also, Rosewall was nearly 34 when the open era began, Laver was 29.
Again, we are talking about a players accomplishemets in the era they played in, not whether the older players were better than today's top players. With today's equipment and playing conditions: Laver, Rosewall, Gonzales and Hoad would be very tough competiton for today's top players whether you want to beleive it or not. Another fact is that between 04-07 Federer played in a weak era, until Nadal began to own him. I am not saying that Nadal is a better player than Federer, but Rafa is a bad match up for Roger both psysically and mentally.
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do yourself a favor and dont post here again .....this must be the most stupid thing I ever read in my life ....by far
Saberg, I must have been inspired by the level of your own posts.
Really, some of the huge, lumbering giants who play the circuit today would have trouble surviving the rigours of the old pro tournaments of the late 1950's or 1960's, when every day you had to play a Gonzales, or Sedgman, or Hoad, or Rosewall,or Laver. Surely the most graceful and speedy generation of players that has been seen.
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Saberg, I must have been inspired by the level of your own posts.
Really, some of the huge, lumbering giants who play the circuit today would have trouble surviving the rigours of the old pro tournaments of the late 1950's or 1960's, when every day you had to play a Gonzales, or Sedgman, or Hoad, or Rosewall,or Laver. Surely the most graceful and speedy generation of players that has been seen.
modern athletes in every sport....EVERY SPORT....are more fit,quicker,stronger and bigger than they were in the past ...game over
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Saberq, would Babe Ruth or Mickey Mantle have been stars today in baseball? How about Bobby Hull or Maurice Richard in hockey? You won't find a sports writer who would deny this.
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Just by looking at the players on the pro circuit today, you can see that they are inferior athletes to the top ten or so players in the 1960's. Players like Gonzales, Hoad, Emerson, Laver, Anderson, Cooper were super-conditioned and could play marathon five-set matches without tiring. They also happened to be much more attractive to watch then players today.
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Saberq, would Babe Ruth or Mickey Mantle have been stars today in baseball? How about Bobby Hull or Maurice Richard in hockey? You won't find a sports writer who would deny this.
While I think Saberq is a complete fool, I don't think you're right about this either. The physical aspect aspect of today's game, in virtually any sport, has made pretty much every single sport so very different. This is especially the case in tennis. To say that the players today are inferior athletes to the champions of the pre-Open Era is just as absurd as Saberq claiming that Laver would get destroyed by Federer. Yes, many of them were very fit, Pancho especially, but today's players are not only fit, but they are strong as well.

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This thread was a good initiative but I like to see it as a hall of fame sort of thing, rather than a list.

Obviously we can see all of these great players were best in some regard and it's hard to rank them just by representing their achievements with values and summing them up.

All of the mentioned players have won slams / been #1 in their respective times and there's no way of knowing who'd come out on top had they all played in the same era. Furthermore, even if this was achievable, it's arguable how credible it would be as an indicator of true tennis skill because of the matchups. Trivial example: Federer beats all of them, but keeps losing to Nadal. Or, Nadal beats everyone but keeps losing to Djokovic.

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I did see Borg once at Forest Hills, and he was the most boring great player I ever saw. The only time he was worth watching was at Wimbledon or playing Connors and McEnroe. Your description of Rosewall is not only evil but incredibly stupid. Assuming that list is true, the fact is, Ken played all these great players and perhaps Lew and Poncho at their best were harder for him to beat than Laver. Overall, Laver does have the better H-H, but not in the biggest matches. In the Pro Slams and Open Era biggest matches, Rosewall has the edge especially when you add in the 71-72 WCT finals after Rod won the 69 Grand Slam. Also, Rosewall was nearly 34 when the open era began, Laver was 29.
Again, we are talking about a players accomplishemets in the era they played in, not whether the older players were better than today's top players. With today's equipment and playing conditions: Laver, Rosewall, Gonzales and Hoad would be very tough competiton for today's top players whether you want to beleive it or not. Another fact is that between 04-07 Federer played in a weak era, until Nadal began to own him. I am not saying that Nadal is a better player than Federer, but Rafa is a bad match up for Roger both psysically and mentally.
Well what can you expect. From the videos which i saw the courts were as fast as ice. you don't need powerful groundstrokes on that. You are gonna over hit it. So what is suited most. Slices and Volleys and touches and placements. thats what Rosewall did exactly. Its the perfect case of what you are good at and what the conditions are. And Rosewall and those conditions found perfect harmony.

Its the same case as of Nadal today. What he is good at and what the conditions are.

And i dont want to comment on both their Talents coz...


And regarding Federer you are right. He becomes a Mental Midget when playing against Nadal. Its shameful really for a player of his Stature. He is a Pussy for me in this regard.
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