Johnny Groove's Top 69 Players Ever (Djokovic #11 of all time, Wawrinka #56) - Page 20 - MensTennisForums.com

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3/5- Hmmmm, I dunno. Some look a bit dicey, mate 53 14.36%
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shit Laver today would be lucky to reach QF of a Slam ....
and Federer with a wooden racquet would struggle in the 60s...
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and Federer with a wooden racquet would struggle in the 60s...
Fed is so great he could play with a frying pan and win Slams in any era
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I personally think Conners should be higher I mean he wasnt allowed to play the French in 1974 which he in my opinion should have won .That really hurt him .

the problem with such lists is that the Australian Open really came to importance in 1988 before which it wasnt popular .On the other hand the WTF were considered the 4th most important event in those times.
Well that is a slippery slope. If I start to say: "Well, Connors should have won RG in '74" then I have to say: "Well Nadal should have won Wimbledon in 09" or "X player should have won Y event in Z year" and it just get to be too much.

Connors, Perry, and Vines are all in that 10-13 area.

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shit Laver today would be lucky to reach QF of a Slam ....
Laver today, if he was born in the 80's and grew up w/ modern technology would be a top 10 player if not a top 5 player these days.

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Groove, what Fed has to do to overtake Laver in your book ?
Had he won the RG this past year, or had he won RG by beating Nadal in 05 or 06 or 07, he'd overtake Laver, in my opinion.

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and Federer with a wooden racquet would struggle in the 60s...
Again, I think if Fed was born in that era, and grew up w/ wooden racquets, he'd be top 10 at least in the 60's. I am of the opinion that champions are champions in any era.

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While the list is certainly nice, I don't think Nadal is yet in the top 10 since I think there are other players that have had success more in general that should be placed ahead him. However, he is in that interchangeable spot of like 3 or 4 players, so I guess it is the way you look at it.

Other than that, the list is adequate.

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Well that is a slippery slope. If I start to say: "Well, Connors should have won RG in '74" then I have to say: "Well Nadal should have won Wimbledon in 09" or "X player should have won Y event in Z year" and it just get to be too much.

Connors, Perry, and Vines are all in that 10-13 area.



Laver today, if he was born in the 80's and grew up w/ modern technology would be a top 10 player if not a top 5 player these days.



Had he won the RG this past year, or had he won RG by beating Nadal in 05 or 06 or 07, he'd overtake Laver, in my opinion.



Again, I think if Fed was born in that era, and grew up w/ wooden racquets, he'd be top 10 at least in the 60's. I am of the opinion that champions are champions in any era.



Still a stretch despite how talented Laver was.. A 5'8" player being able to do damage in today's game is highly unlikely. Ferrer is 5'9" and he has had barely moderate slam success. Sure, obviously Laver is a different class and certainly loads more talented, however, the game has certainly evolved to the point where physical talent is much more important than tennis talent. I wouldn't be so certain that Laver would be able to compete in this physical era.

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you should edit post with Fed's achievements

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Amateur slams should not be included in major count as the best players did not compete in them. Laver has 8 pro slams and 5 slams in the open era so he has 13 majors. Maybe he edges out Sampras as the second greatest of all time because of his grand slam and calendar year grand slam.
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Amateur slams should not be included in major count as the best players did not compete in them. Laver has 8 pro slams and 5 slams in the open era so he has 13 majors. Maybe he edges out Sampras as the second greatest of all time because of his grand slam and calendar year grand slam.
give me a break ....Murray's Asian swing had better competition than Laver in the 60's
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give me a break ....Murray's Asian swing had better competition than Laver in the 60's
You lack an idea about this subject. The pro tour when Laver played had a very good top tier of competitors.

The game didn't start in 2007. Why compare what happened then with its totally different set of conditions you know variety of surfaces, that's not apparent today with what's going on now. Can only judge what happened in their particular time, no such thing as a time machine.

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I definitely would have preferred Gaba winning as he needs the points much more, but Jan would have beaten him anyway. I expect Hajek to destroy Machado, like 6-1 6-2.
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You lack an idea about this subject. The pro tour when Laver played had a very good top tier of competitors.

The game didn't start in 2007. Why compare what happened then with its totally different set of conditions you know variety of surfaces, that's not apparent today with what's going on now. Can only judge what happened in their particular time, no such thing as a time machine.
Hey man, be nice! Saberq clearly was born in Laver's era, he said he watched Agassi win Wimbledon

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Hey man, be nice! Saberq clearly was born in Laver's era, he said he watched Agassi win Wimbledon
Heck he might even remember when Wilander won Roland Garros for the first time.

On Nadal bumping him on the changeover, Rosol said: "It's ok, he wanted to take my concentration; I knew he would try something".


Wilander on Dimitrov - "He has mind set on imitating Federer and yes it looks good. But he has no idea what to do on the court".

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I definitely would have preferred Gaba winning as he needs the points much more, but Jan would have beaten him anyway. I expect Hajek to destroy Machado, like 6-1 6-2.
Machado wins 6-2 6-1
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Heck he might even remember when Wilander won Roland Garros for the first time.
Wilander won Roland Garros ?

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Agassi won Wimbledon in 1992 not 1962
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Agassi won Wimbledon in 1992 not 1962

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