Johnny Groove's Top 69 Players Ever (Djokovic #11 of all time, Wawrinka #56) - Page 19 - MensTennisForums.com

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5/5- Almost 100% spot on, Mr. Groove. I may switch a few around here or there, but good work 68 18.43%
4/5- More or less. I disagree with a few, but not bad at all 154 41.73%
3/5- Hmmmm, I dunno. Some look a bit dicey, mate 53 14.36%
2/5- Are you nuts? Why is X player in Y position? You are completely dissing Z player! 19 5.15%
1/5- Are you high and or drunk? WTF?!?!?! 75 20.33%
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Re: Professor Johnny Groove's Top 55 tennis players of all time (Djokovic up to #31)

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I think Federer is a top tier in clay. He only lost in clay to the greatest claycourter.
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Top tier on clay is Nadal, Borg, Kuerten, Wilander, Lendl- all won at least three RGs and Vilas ain't far behind.

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I am of the opposite opinion that circumstance takes a huge part in the creation of greatness, greatness might even be an accident in most cases. I dont think it is written under the stars that someone is going to find his way, circumstances have to be precisely right for most players to dominate the tennis world, right opponents, right surfaces, right raquets.
I can understand your point, but I still think that players like Connors or Sampras would be great during any era. They would make adjustments and they were mentally champions.

While we can't have a time machine, we have to have a tournament where the guys play with wooden rackets and the kit from the 30's. Who would win? I could see Brands doing some incredible stuff.
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Well.. I don't think you can say any one guy is top tier on every surface other then say Laver. But it does hurt (no fault of his own) the slams were on clay and grass. But Fed, Pete, Nadal, Djokovic, Borg, Mac, connors etc.. all fail to be considered top tier on every surface. So that does hurt their credibility I guess.
In my opinion Federer and possibly Borg were also top tier on every surface. Federer is an amazing claycourt player with 5 roland garros finals, Borg had 4 Usopen finals and alot of titles on indoor carpet. Look at the guys they lost to in finals, Nadal on clay is the greatest claycourter of all time and Mcenroe and Connors were huge forces in the Usopen, to have both in the same time be there to stand in your way was very unlucky for Borg. That is what circumstances does to players, born some years earlier Borg would possibly win 3-4 Usopens and Federer would win 3-4 Roland Garros.

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Nah.

Top tier on clay is Nadal, Borg, Kuerten, Wilander, Lendl- all won at least three RGs and Vilas ain't far behind.
Federer is on the same level as Vilas, their clay careers look almost identical except the fact that Federer doesnt go around the globe playing 250 tournaments on clay. In fact Federer got one more final than Vilas in RG by now.

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djokovic has to be within 5 places of nadal

and if the ownage is sustained then within 2 years nole auto matically jumps ahead of nadal
Djokovic isn't within 5 ranks of Nadal in terms of career achievements. He may be at the end of this career (I personally think this is unlikely, for this his breakthrough came too late), but he is not at this stage. Not even close.

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I have no idea how Djokovic is 31 .....I cant think of 30 players better than him 15 maybe but come on .............
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I have no idea how Djokovic is 31 .....I cant think of 30 players better than him 15 maybe but come on .............
Tennis did not start in 1990.
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Tennis did not start in 1990.
even so ....plus I dont count anyone in the 60's and before that...they played a different sport
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Re: Professor Johnny Groove's Top 55 tennis players of all time (Djokovic up to #31)

Show some respect for the players who paved the way for the Djokovics of today.

Nole is no more than #31 all time, at this point at least.

If Djokovic keeps #1 every week of 2012, and wins:

1 slam, he'll be #26 all time.
2 slams, he'll be #23-25 with Edberg, Wilander, and Becker
3 slams, arguments can be made from #15-22
4 slams, arguments can be made up to at least #14, and surely higher, depending on how much value you place on a CYGS, possibly up to #7 all time, but after that, it would be tough to put Nole above Sampras or Gonzales, Rosewall, Tilden, Fed, or Laver with only 8 slams. He'd need another year.

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Re: Professor Johnny Groove's Top 55 tennis players of all time (Djokovic up to #31)

great list but would put Sampras higher
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great read other than SDG raid who really spoilt it .Cant the mods delete those posts ?
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I personally think Conners should be higher I mean he wasnt allowed to play the French in 1974 which he in my opinion should have won .That really hurt him .

the problem with such lists is that the Australian Open really came to importance in 1988 before which it wasnt popular .On the other hand the WTF were considered the 4th most important event in those times.
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shit Laver today would be lucky to reach QF of a Slam ....
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Re: Professor Johnny Groove's Top 55 tennis players of all time (Djokovic up to #31)

Groove, what Fed has to do to overtake Laver in your book ?

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