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Re: Current Top 100 by playing styles

I'd suggest that Rochus is more of a defensive baseliner, not offensive.

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Seppi is a hard one because he is not a true offensive baseliner but not a grinder per se, though he is prepared to play long points and not all court player.
I was also wondering about Seppi...I'm more inclined to say he's a defensive baseliner.


One that has me stumped is Benneteau - he doesn't strike me as being a true offensive baseliner; he can counterpunch effectively and has a relatively good net game. But I suppose he doesn't volley often enough to warrant being labelled anything other than a baseliner.
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Re: Current Top 100 by playing styles

When Nadal plays Murray, Murray is the offensive baseliner and Nadal is forced to defend. Difficult to put Nadal in a specific cathegory, he is sometimes forced to play very defensive but he tries hard to be offensive.

All things are subject to interpretation whichever interpretation prevails at a given time is a function of power and not truth.
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I'd suggest that Rochus is more of a defensive baseliner, not offensive.



I was also wondering about Seppi...I'm more inclined to say he's a defensive baseliner.


One that has me stumped is Benneteau - he doesn't strike me as being a true offensive baseliner; he can counterpunch effectively and has a relatively good net game. But I suppose he doesn't volley often enough to warrant being labelled anything other than a baseliner.
Oli Rochus isn't a defensive baseliner, he is a better version of Dudi Sela.

Benneteau is a scrapper, gets a lot back, attacks now and then with good volleys.

On Nadal bumping him on the changeover, Rosol said: "It's ok, he wanted to take my concentration; I knew he would try something".


Wilander on Dimitrov - "He has mind set on imitating Federer and yes it looks good. But he has no idea what to do on the court".

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I definitely would have preferred Gaba winning as he needs the points much more, but Jan would have beaten him anyway. I expect Hajek to destroy Machado, like 6-1 6-2.
Machado wins 6-2 6-1
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Nice list, very impressive, I just have a few differences in opinion:

1)Sweeting isn't defensive.

2)Stepanek, Melzer and Petzschner are all court players.

3)Rochus is more counter-punching than offensive, and counter-punching is inherently defensive.

4)Chela isn't really defensive.

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Re: Current Top 100 by playing styles

Good thread.
Could anyone do this for previous years say 5,10,15 years ago so we can compare how the game has changed over time.
I imagine you would get about 40% serve volleyers 15-20 yrs ago.
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Re: Current Top 100 by playing styles

Rochus actually does have a bit of a shotmaking ability. True he has to run down a lot of balls but he can hit some winners too. It's a close one.

I've chosen Seppi as Offensive because of play on hardcourts, where he takes the ball really early for a guy ranked so low. Benneateau is again pretty close, but on his good day he could hit some decent strokes. Solid guy, close one as well.
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Seppi is 20-50 player, plays better on clay but can play on all surfaces. Doesn't have much margin for error, but one of the worst 2nd serves on tour.

On Nadal bumping him on the changeover, Rosol said: "It's ok, he wanted to take my concentration; I knew he would try something".


Wilander on Dimitrov - "He has mind set on imitating Federer and yes it looks good. But he has no idea what to do on the court".

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Good thread.
Could anyone do this for previous years say 5,10,15 years ago so we can compare how the game has changed over time.
I imagine you would get about 40% serve volleyers 15-20 yrs ago.
Well there was more surface specialisation, so it's not that difficult to tell.

On Nadal bumping him on the changeover, Rosol said: "It's ok, he wanted to take my concentration; I knew he would try something".


Wilander on Dimitrov - "He has mind set on imitating Federer and yes it looks good. But he has no idea what to do on the court".

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I definitely would have preferred Gaba winning as he needs the points much more, but Jan would have beaten him anyway. I expect Hajek to destroy Machado, like 6-1 6-2.
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Re: Current Top 100 by playing styles

Seppi and Benneteau are not guys who will just play defense or allow themselves to be attacked all the time. They keep points usually neutral, hit balls deep and sort of massage the ball around the court and look for their opportunities when they arise. So I guess that puts them in the offensive category because they aren't putting themselves in positions where points are decided by the opponent most of the time.
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Nice list, very impressive, I just have a few differences in opinion:

1)Sweeting isn't defensive.

2)Stepanek, Melzer and Petzschner are all court players.

3)Rochus is more counter-punching than offensive, and counter-punching is inherently defensive.

4)Chela isn't really defensive.

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1.Sweeting thrives on consistency so I couldn't really put him as Offensive. He could develop towards that style tho. but he's nowhere near it atm.

2.I've already explained Stepanek and Melzer. And Petzschner is all-court.(as stated in OP)

3.Again, it's a close call.

4.He's turned to a mix of what he played when he was younger and what he normally does on clay. He's a solid guy that can play both offensive and defensive. Imo, the latter is where he gets his points from ATM. Had it been some years ago I would have chosen differently.

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Re: Current Top 100 by playing styles

I'd say that Kohli could be an all-courter. He uses all dimensions of the court, angles, slices, dropshots, and attacks the net/volleys well. Probably not enough but relative to most of today's players, I'd put him in that class.
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Well there was more surface specialisation, so it's not that difficult to tell.
I don't know most of the players outside top 30 prior to around 2000 so I couldn't tell.
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I don't know most of the players outside top 30 prior to around 2000 so I couldn't tell.
You have a wider range cause the surfaces were very different. Here it's a more of a challenge as the surfaces don't vary too much.

On Nadal bumping him on the changeover, Rosol said: "It's ok, he wanted to take my concentration; I knew he would try something".


Wilander on Dimitrov - "He has mind set on imitating Federer and yes it looks good. But he has no idea what to do on the court".

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I definitely would have preferred Gaba winning as he needs the points much more, but Jan would have beaten him anyway. I expect Hajek to destroy Machado, like 6-1 6-2.
Machado wins 6-2 6-1
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Re: Current Top 100 by playing styles

Chela is very similar to Seppi and Benneteau in that he doesn't get put on the defensive all that often, but he doesn't dictate all that often. He puts the ball deep crosscourt almost all the time, and then looks to attack when he has the opportunity. So it's difficult to really categorize him as defensive or offensive, but I generally consider guys like that more offensive because they aren't solely relying on others to miss or make mistakes to win.
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Re: Current Top 100 by playing styles

Well if I had to do it for 2001-02-03 I think it would result into pretty equal percentages for all styles, since there were a lot of guys coming from the 90's where surfaces were fast so definitely a good chunk of s&v's and all-courters and the baseliners specialized on clay.

The discrepancy between fast surfaces and slower/clay in the 90's was more striking than it is today. That assured for a larger diversity in styles and virtually the existence of specialists etc.
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