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The quality of life is dropping and will continue to drop.

As for the technology, capitalism is intentionally slowing down the progress of it.

More jobs? Yeah right. Why would people work at all ? Machines can do things better on tasks where human intervention is not required.

This is only an issue in a monetary system. Jobs. Lol...

Quality of products?

If you bought a TV 30 years ago, it's probably still working, while new plasma or LCD TVs have an estimated lifespan of 5 years.

Come on, do you even realize what you're saying?
I still prefer a plasma tv that lasts 5 years than a tv of 30 years ago.

Machines cant do all, unemployment would be huge. We are 7 billions now, not 2 billions we were 100 years ago.

Whats best for the consumer isnt necessarily better for the society as a whole.

Work is better than staying bored all the day. What would you want to do, like, play tennis all the day while the government gives you your house, your food.. but what if you want to eat fish rather than meat, how can you choose? Monetary system gives us the options to diversify our lives at least, by buying things that other people gather ( fisherman, farmers, etc). Its a fair trade to explore the resources other people work for us. You cant let the government tell you: you work 30 days as a farmer today, than the next 30 days you can rest. This is slavery. At least capitalism and the monetary system gives you the options to choose in what you can work to help improve society. Or maybe not improve, but at least, " support " it.

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You are saying the world is getting worse, my point is that is not getting worse, rather changing its ways very quickly, sometimes improving, most of the times stalling, but deffo not getting worse.

Even if we kill 80% of the humankind in a nuclear war, maybe its for the better of the society, so it depends of the point of view lol.

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I still prefer a plasma tv that lasts 5 years than a tv of 30 years ago.
Let's just clear this up: TVs don't last shorter because it's new technology but because of planned obsolescence. And you prefer that? Ok then...

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Machines cant do all, unemployment would be huge. We are 7 billions now, not 2 billions we were 100 years ago.

Whats best for the consumer isnt necessarily better for the society as a whole.
Why are you thinking in terms of employment/unemployment and mention consumers ? These are problems only in monetary systems...

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Work is better than staying bored all the day. What would you want to do, like, play tennis all the day while the government gives you your house, your food.. but what if you want to eat fish rather than meat, how can you choose? Monetary system gives us the options to diversify our lives at least, by buying things that other people gather ( fisherman, farmers, etc).
Who says you wouldn't be able to choose? Can you choose now if you don't have money? You know how many people can't chose today?

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Its a fair trade to explore the resources other people work for us. You cant let the government tell you: you work 30 days as a farmer today, than the next 30 days you can rest. This is slavery. At least capitalism and the monetary system gives you the options to choose in what you can work to help improve society. Or maybe not improve, but at least, " support " it.
Do you know how the Federal Reserve / Central Bank system operates?

Please, watch this video:

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And then tell me what slavery is.
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You are saying the world is getting worse, my point is that is not getting worse, rather changing its ways very quickly, sometimes improving, most of the times stalling, but deffo not getting worse.

Even if we kill 80% of the humankind in a nuclear war, maybe its for the better of the society, so it depends of the point of view lol.
Point acknowledged.

So if aliens come to Earth today and offer 1 human to make him a God, in turn sacrificing every other human on the planet, it will be better for humanity and society that he accepts the offer. Right?

Well, I don't agree with that, but suit yourself.

You have some quite radical ideas
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First, stop with the bitterness. You will be a better communicator for me without bitterness, theres no need for that. You can blame it on capitalism stress, I know, but whatever...

First of all: planned obsolescence keeps the industries working and employing people. Yes, it is a capitalism problem, because in capitalism, if all products were meant to last longer, the industries production would slow down, many people would be fired and there would not have a salary to pay them (unemployment) If you tells me: but salary is only a question of monetary system, yes I agree, however, the monetary system is the way the world works today because A) It helps improve technology in the sense the run for profits makes people research things B) It gives people the choice to buy several different products.

If you take away the monetary system, you would have to create another alternative to the way we live life today. In feudalism, people were trading their work in farms for some food and the right to live in the landlords land. There was not much money involved, however, in this simplified system (which I am simplifying even more), there were not many options, because a) the guy had to live in the farm, and work there b) there were no money that allowed him to move around the world, pay for different services, etc. The guy was stuck in a small territory and probably lived all his life in a small village. Capitalism, however, helps people from different communities integrate themsleves by trade, and circulating wealth. When you trade, you dont trade only goods, that could make your life more fun, buy you also trade culture, and information. So if by any time we develop a better way to regulate this trade without the " money problem" it will be achieved after all the cultural trade the whole capitalism allowed us to. So, yes, capitalism could self-destruct itself.

However, I dont believe we will suddendly discover a way to destroy capitalism. When Marx said that revolution could help us develop a better society I disagree. Like I said, in 1917, people had no idea how quantum phisics worked, or how much damage to the environment we were creating. Socialism can be achieved, but not by revolution, but mostly a) by the self-destruction of capitalism or b) in a progressive development of the world (more ethics, better wealth distribution, respect for the environment, the development of a better system of trade).

When you say people cant choose in capitalism, I kind of disagree. Society right now has more mobility, because you can be a smart person intelligent enough to get inside a public job. Even if you are poor, you still can work in jobs like: masonry, mining or cleaning things. Than lets suppose those people shouldnt be working there and should all be educated to become university graduates. After all, who likes to work in masonry? Lets put the machines to work. Even if you replace all those people to do jobs that are more interesting, the technology will have to develop itself to create machines able to do all the work those people do. Cleaning houses? Ok, a robot can do it. Mining in the depths of Moriya? Hard, tough job, but we still can do it with a machine However, if the manual workers tend to diminish, people from lower classes can still choose another jobs to work other than those, since We still need bakers, nurses and car mechanicals. If you give education to everyone, who are going to work in those jobs? Some people must support the society, and right now, in capitalism, usually those people have less options, however, should they have more options? My asnwer: yes, but gradually. If you give them all options now, society can grow into collapse, we still need to find a way to fit all those people into more honorable jobs, and right now I still believe we are slowly giving them more options than in the past.
I mean, lets take a poor serbian woman right now who lives in a farm. She can be a nurse, maybe a cleanlady or if she studies a lot, she can become a biologist. Ok, Serbias doing great now, but lets take the poorer people in Mali or Nigeria? Ok, I agree those people dont have many options, but the diplomats of all world are trying to improve the lifestyle of those countries. Even if capitalism helps to keep them down low, the foreign relations are improving to become less egoistical and more friendly-supporting for those countries, in the last 50 years at least ( after the Russian revolution).

About the alien question, I just wanted to say that even if capitalism leads to the extinction of 80 or 90% percent of humankind ( I saying up until this level, not exxagerating to the point of giving God powers to only one person), it will be great if all those 10-20% live better lives without poverty and destruction and their descendants will enjoy this world too, but, its impossible in the current state of moral/ethical departments. We are still learning the relationship between each other, and until we dont develop our own relationship as humans, theres no way we can dream of an ideal socialist world. But if you consider the descendants idea, of course I believe it would be a fair trade, if this alien taught us all to live better lives and kill in exchange, lets say, 6,5 billions of people leaving 100 mi in every continent. And 1 mi in Oceania.Lol.

In my opinion, capitalism isnt a question of choice, is a matter of what we can do right now. But you can disagree of course.

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It's like you're in 2D.

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Obsolescence is Keynes, Arsen. It increases demand and make economy circulate, giving jobs to the people. Also gives money for rich people to invest in research. Just as yours wikipedia article said:

"Others have defended planned obsolescence as a necessary driving force behind innovation and economic growth. Many products, such as DVDs, become both cheaper and more useful the more people have them. Planned obsolescence will also tend to benefit those companies with the most modern and up-to-date products, thus encouraging extra investment in research and development that often has large positive externalities."

Dont worry, Arsen, I will make sure products last only 2 years in the future helping us to develop technology You convinced me to do this more and more. This way you can blame me when your holographic mind-reader printer breaks in 6 months of use in 2025. XD

Just kidding mate.

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The custody issue makes sense, but divorce laws are actually kinda sexist in an indirect sort of way.
For what I gathered the more wealthy spouse has to provide for the other. It's not law's fault that rich men like to buy marry stunning, younger and usually poorer women

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Did you really have to interrupt? We could have done with more of those 500 word posts.

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That would be absolutely politically incorrect.
Politically correct or not, laws should be thought out logically and rationally instead of pandering to emotion. But yeah poltical correctness is getting too extreme nowadays
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But the point is that affirmative action laws or whatever they are called in a particular country are enacted to correct perceived inequalities in certain segments of society.
There isn't any evidence provided that any workplace actively discriminates against women.

Can you imagine the chitstorm that feminists would raise if this were the case?
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The fact that there are hardly any laws that favour men is probably because men have not historically been discriminated against on the basis of their gender (race, religion, etc are separate issues).
And how does the past affect us?


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You really think there's true equality?
Women earn same as men.

Law after law favour women.

Judges and juries tend to favour women.

Yep, I too would say that isn't equality.
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Equality isn't only about earning capacity and/or income; just because women earn roughly the same as men, doesn't mean that we afforded the same respect as men.
I don't quite grasp what you are saying here?

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To give a very obvious example, the entertainment industry doesn't objectify men even half as much as it objectifies and exploits women.
No-one forces women to do these jobs. Women freely and openly accept these jobs and hence damaging their own image. The media also make men seem weak and incompetent, but I don't really care as these men have accepted to play/portray these roles. Who gives a fuk what the media says?

A woman who has worked hard and contributed to society, will receive the same amount of respect as a man who has also worked hard in and contributed to society.

On the other hand a woman who tried to get by in life solely on her looks and doesn't care about society/well being of others will not receive any respect and rightfully so. The same applies for men.
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For every Abercrombie & Fitch advertisement of a half naked man, you'll see a disproportionate number of advertisements featuring scantily-clad women in suggestive poses.
Again, these women have made the decision to be in these adverts. Many feminists in fact say this liberates women.

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Let's move out of our comfort zone for a second and consider the plight of women in backward shitholes like Saudi Arabia and African villages that still practice FGM. Let's consider Islamic laws that allow men to have up to four wives but nothing similar for women. Let's consider deeply-entrenched cultural perceptions that deem swearing "unlady-like", whatever the hell that means.
I am really only talking about first world countries.

But yeah most third world countries do treat women like chit.
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There's only so much the law can do to promote gender equality; the rest of it - an overwhelming proportion - is a matter of social and cultural perceptions.
I'm pretty sure there are no laws in those countries to promote gender equalities.

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Does that law really discriminate against men though? From what I read in the article, it gives employers the option to hire a candidate to fill certain quotas. It does not force all employers to set a quota of males, females, whites, blacks, etc in their workplace. It would plausibly lead to some discriminatory hiring policies, but it would not be on the same scale as denying voting rights to women, for example. For the record, I don't think it's a good law at all, but you're making it sound like it seeks only to protect women when its coverage extends to racial minorities and disabled people. There is a huge distinction in the impact of a statute that seeks to protect ONLY women and one that seeks to protect a group of minoritiies, INLCUDING women.
Again, like I said, there are initiatives taken like these which are made lawful for women yet none for men who are underrepresented in some areas of the workforce.

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In any event, I don't agree with affirmative action at all. I am very Singaporean in this regard: I believe in pure meritocracy. You get the job that you deserve based on your skills and qualifications. Nothing else should factor in the equation.
Yep that's the way it should be and for the large part it is like this.
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For what I gathered the more wealthy spouse has to provide for the other. It's not law's fault that rich men like to buy marry stunning, younger and usually poorer women
It's not the man's fault that a woman doesn't like him anymore and hence for some reason this obliges him to give up 50% of his income. Your response is a typical one removing women from all responsibility and placing the blame firmly on the man no matter what.
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For what I gathered the more wealthy spouse has to provide for the other. It's not law's fault that rich men like to buy marry stunning, younger and usually poorer women
In Singapore, the law relating to spousal maintenance during a marriage or after a marriage is found in the Women's Charter...which tells you a lot about the law's position on these matters.

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50, maybe more :modest:
i heard when men are extinct from this flawed system called capitalism. the prime commodity will be women shoes, so you're going to be a very wealthy woman one day.

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Did you really have to interrupt? We could have done with more of those 500 word posts.
yeah i was really enjoying them until someone dropped the bitter word... i expected mariav to come in here and tell arsen that his need medication.
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