Hi there GhostUnholy!
Just out of interest, I was wondering how purely you guys stick to the traditional definitions of prog when talking about progressive music. Personally I feel many bands in other genres are essentially progressive, even if they incorporate very little influence from the 'roots' of progressive rock.
As you will see when you scroll through this thread, the definition of 'what-is-prog-and-what-not' is a very difficult one, and you'll barely ever find two proggies agreeing on this matter...
I guess I'm rather in agreement with you on this matter, and surely don't think that only 'classic prog' (the 1970's era, to say it bluntly) is indeed 'prog'. Nope, IMHO, the genre has evolved continuously, taking up influences from about EVERYWHERE (ever heard of 'Prog Andaluz'? - it's a Spanish/Moorish subgenre, combining classic prog with... flamenco! - I'm sure Gu HATES it
) - and as such, prog is alive and kicking!
You might find this: 'Progarchives.com's Guide to Progressive Rock'
an interesting read.
For example, lots of technical DM bands are very progressive, but people for the most part wouldn't classify them as prog metal.
Fully agree with you here. Though I definitely consider myself a 'metal-head' as well as a progger, I don't think 99% of DM bands belong to the prog genre, but I do keep an open ear to them, and don't be surprised if one day, a DM band comes up with something that is most definitely PROG! No wonder, ProgArchives.com has a special section on Tech/Extreme Prog Metal
The best example i can find in my collection is "The Armageddon Theories" from Theory in Practice. I couldn't find a decent vid for them on youtube, but I found a link to their album download, am I allowed to post it here? If not metal and prog fans and musicians in general should try to get a copy of this album as it is MINDBLOWING, to me at least.
A less good example but the first one I can find off the top of my head is this song:
Thanks for the vid, interesting at least! I'll put it on my downloads.
Don't know whether we are allowed to post download links, actually - does someone know about MTF's policy on this? It is after all, eh, illegal...
I'm in no way shape or form claiming that the above song should truly be called prog, but I feel if an album like DT's Train of Thought is really prog, many other albums could be classified as such as well. I suppose other examples would be Decrepit Birth's album "Diminishing Between Worlds" or Spawn of Posession's stuff maybe.
A lot of proggers, even the DT-fans, had a bit of a hard time with ToT because it tends to be rather 'metal' than prog. One of their weakest albums imho, but I know that there are plenty people out there who don't agree with me on that. That's one of the problems with classifying BANDS as a whole within a certain genre... I mean, is Genesis' 'I Can't Dance' (:retard:-crap I think) Prog? I don't think so...
Similarly, other genres will see a lot of progressive elements. For instance, I suppose the following is indie rock, but in some ways I see it as more progressive than some modern bands in the traditional prog vein that are really just derivatives of older bands. (apologies for the pink video, and I'm not sure if the entire song is there but I assume so)
Again, fully agree with you!
I consider a lot of Indie Bands that have clear Prog-influences - Radiohead, Mogwai, Sigur Ros, to name but a few - a lot more 'progressive' than those copying 1970's Genesis stuff... needless to say, these bands as well are included at ProgArchives.com, and rightly so.
What do you guys think about how prog should be defined? From a purist perspective, or is one of the wider definitions more appropriate? Also I apologize if I just made a fool of myself, just wanted to start some discussion if I could. I'm a metalhead first and an everything else fan later, so my knowledge of prog probably pales compared to you guys!
I am most definitely a fan of the wider definition - I'd like to say anything 'adventurous, eclectic, conciously non-commercial, 'difficult' music' is PROG. Gu is on the other far end of the spectrum, and obviously is a purist - and I'm sure he has his good reasonings for that opinion just as I have for mine...
You haven't made a fool of yourself at all.
This is an interesting subject, and I am just happy to see yet another metalhead venturing in the mesmerizing musical journey that is prog... welcome aboard, mate!