It's hard to say goodbye, isn't it?
From this particular thread, yeah it is...
I remember we've talked about that psyche song from Il Giardino delle Delizie. The song is Adonai, by the way. And I remember that you were not 100% sure it was a Rick bass. During your absence I thought about you because I found the movie scene, so that the bass can be identified.
Awesome, thanks so much for that! What a fantastic vid, those hippies dancing on the beach, in contrast to those Catholic Religion-stiffies moving in the background. Yeah, I like that. I know which side I'd choose.
Could you send me a link to the ENTIRE movie, even if it's 1960's porn?
As for the bass, it's a semi-acoustic one - an Epiphone, perhaps?
Yeah well I guess I am a sucker for that old classic 1960-1970's recording sound just as much as for the classical instruments from that period, it sounds so grudgy, so 'garage' - unintentional of course, the recording equipment just wasn't any better at that time. At times, I think we've gone *over-the-hill* with the quest for 'perfection' in recording techniques nowadays...
The only current band that I know of that really manages to hit the mark with achieving a truly 'vintage' sound, is Sweden's Anekdoten
Yeah and that IS a Rick, no doubt about it.
But however good it is, I'm not sure this is really prog
. There are 3 themes in it and repeated in a cyclical structure.
Haha, the Never-Ending Discussion on 'What's-Prog-And-What's-Not'
It will never end, and there will never ever come a definite answer to that discussion.
' forums are so much stuffed with battles concerning this very issue between the 'Hard-Liners' (i.e. the folks that believe that "Prog Music died with the departure of Peter Gabriel from Genesis back in 1974"
or so) and the 'Anything-Goes'-folks (even regarding Iron Maiden
as 'prog' - uhm, WOT???
), that it comes close to matching MTF's worst tard-wars.
To me, anything Morricone made absolutely hits the marks set for ProgRock, or at least 'Prog-Related' or 'Proto-Prog'.
I really thought about this one as prog:
I distinguish between five themes in it. The rise in power is repeated but there's still a progressive structure, isn't there? Just for this coda at the end !
Absolutely among his best work, and most certainly Prog imho.
You raise an important element on the 'What's Prog?'-question here, though. For many, it is indeed the (# of) presence of certain structures, 'technicalities' as I call them, and the like. For me - but this is of course very personal - technicalities are a non-issue in deciding whether-or-no some artist's work is 'Prog-or-Not'.
A lot of very technical Jazz-Rock is much loved sub-genre of progrock at the Archives
for this very reason, but I feel no shame in admitting that I never managed to get into most of that material, despite (or maybe, because of?) all those very elaborate proggie structures - apart from a few exceptions, mainly being Zappa, Miles Davis, UK, & Bruford
I tend to miss the conveyance of pure EMOTION in most of that kind of music, and that is an integral part of ProgRock to me... overdoing it on 'structures' at the cost of emotion has never worked all too well for me.
Read: it doesn't work at all for me.
At the same time, the genre of 'atmospheric prog' mainly consists of repeated patterns of the same structures - hence, it is so-called 'simple' - but it works very well with me, as the best bands within that genre never forget to emphasize on emotion.
Ah it's all a matter of personal taste in the end, isn't it? :wink:
The BEST bands, imho, are those who manage to combine elaborate structuring of their music with still being able to convey genuine emotion. Guess that's why I am still a fan of Yes
' and Genesis
' early works.
By the we are here in 1966, thus one year before A Day in the Life
, one year before Nights in White Satin
, two years before all the stuff by The Nice
and 3 years before The Court of the Crimson King
And I'm sure Keith Emerson said Morricone greatly influenced his work.
- and that's exactly one of the major reasons why I think Morricone rightfully is included on the Archives
. He was a genuine 'Premier Adapter' along the line of thought of 'Anything Goes' -'eclectic prog-related' best describes his music I think.
PS: you can send me a PM if you don't wanna come here again.
- no worries about that. I will NEVER be able to totally abandon this thread, that's for sure.
Thanks so much for that, and
to all other nice people who sent me reps lately as well!