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The most incredible year - McEnroe's 1984???

I am wondering: was McEnroe's 1984 the most dominant performance in the history (only 2 Slams but competing Connors)? Or, maybe, considering today's competition, it was 2004 by Federer (3 Slams and no real in-form competition). What do you think?
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Re: The most incredible year - McEnroe's 1984???

in the Open era, Im pretty sure it is

they pulled up a stat yesterday during coverage of Kooyong I think, showing Macs winning % for that year as being the highest of any dominant year for a player in the open era
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Re: The most incredible year - McEnroe's 1984???

McEnroe's 1984 winning percentage was .9647 (82-3), as opposed to Federer's .925 (74-6). Lendl also did 74-6 one year in the 80s, can't remember which now.
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Re: The most incredible year - McEnroe's 1984???

I never agreed with the premise of considering a players' dominance in any given year by a winning percentage. All of the players consider the Majors the ones to win, and anyone who has won 3 Majors in a year has accomplished more than a player who only won 2, regardless of what their percentages were. Rod Laver won the Grand Slam in 1969, and I think John McEnroe himself would consider that a more incredible year than his own 1984. You could also look at Jimmy Connors' 1974 as a more dominating year than McEnroe's 84. Jimmy won all of the Majors he was allowed to play- the ITF sanctioned and prevented him from playing the French, otherwise he very well may have won a Grand Slam that year.
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I rarely rooted for Mac in those days so 1984 wasn't my favorite year for men's tennis! But I'd give him the nod for most dominating - he deserves it whether I was cheering against him or not. In fact, looking back, I wonder if his career went on the decline after that year because he had sort of reached a summitt and had no where to go but down? The Wimbledon final against Conners was just an awesome display of domination of another great champion.
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At first didn't like John Mcenroe, 84 was a great year. Considering cause of his behaviour he missed out an the AUS-Open. Could've had a more impressive record. Never seen such a dominating player. The Jimmy Connors of 74 came close, unhappily he missed out on the French Open. Think both Big Mac and Jimbo probably would've won more GS's if they didn't boycot the AUS-Open.
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the most dominant year was 1977 of Guillermo Vilas, he won two grand slams(roland garros and us open) that year, we have to remember that those where the years of other great players as borg, connors and nastase. vilas made two history record that year, he won 16 single titles in an year and 50 consecutive matches won, losing the record to nastase in a final then in the same year he got the second best record of consecutive matches won that are 49. in that incredible 77 vilas won springfield(indoor, carpet), buenos aires(clay), roland garros(clay), kitzbuhel(clay), washington(hard), louisville(hard), south orange(hard), columbus(hard), us open(clay), paris(clay), tehran(clay), bogota(clay), chile(clay), buenos aires 2(clay), johannesburg(hard), virginia beach(hard). that same year he also reach but lost in 5 finals, the most important in australian open where he lost againts vitas girulaitis. he also won 4 doubles titles that same year.

1977 the year of Guillermo Vilas.

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Yet Willie he still was not number one.
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yes becuase they counted the points of 2 years not like know that are the points of 1 year, if it was like now he would have been number 1.
being number 2 in the world in the ages of borg, nastase, connors, mcenroe, etc, isnt so bad.

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Re: The most incredible year - McEnroe's 1984???

When you win 16 titles a feat that will never be match including two slams and I think he won several masters titles. You deserve to be number one. Vilas still gets ticked off by the slight, but oh well he was way cooler than Connors ever was.
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the most dominant year was 1977 of Guillermo Vilas, he won two grand slams(roland garros and us open) that year, we have to remember that those where the years of other great players as borg, connors and nastase. vilas made two history record that year, he won 16 single titles in an year and 50 consecutive matches won, losing the record to nastase in a final then in the same year he got the second best record of consecutive matches won that are 49. in that incredible 77 vilas won springfield(indoor, carpet), buenos aires(clay), roland garros(clay), kitzbuhel(clay), washington(hard), louisville(hard), south orange(hard), columbus(hard), us open(clay), paris(clay), tehran(clay), bogota(clay), chile(clay), buenos aires 2(clay), johannesburg(hard), virginia beach(hard). that same year he also reach but lost in 5 finals, the most important in australian open where he lost againts vitas girulaitis. he also won 4 doubles titles that same year.

1977 the year of Guillermo Vilas.
Yes, if we used the system we do now, he would have been #1. It was a great year by Vilas but how many times did he beat his great rival Bjorn Borg that year? Vilas was 0-3 against him that year. Borg didn't play RG that year and Vilas got his opening. I think that takes away from the year in a way.

McEnroe in 1984 was nearly unbreakable and hardly anyone could take a set from him. He lost ony 20 out of 224 sets played that year, winning an astonishing 91% of all sets played. He also beat his two closest rivals mercilessly that year. He was 7-1 against Lendl and 6-0 against Connors. He was also 4-0 against Wilander.
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Re: The most incredible year - McEnroe's 1984???

Vilas in 1977, 16 singles titles and 6 runners-up

http://www.atptennis.com/en/players/...=V028&x=17&y=1

Australian Open : Runner-up
Roland Garros : Winner
Wimbledon : R32
US Open : Winner


Singles Titles:
Springfield
Buenos Aires
Virginia Beach
Roland Garros
Kitzbuhel
Washington

Louisville
South Orange
Columbus

US Open
Paris
Tehran
Bogota
Santiago
Buenos Aires -2

Johannesburg WCT





Connors in 1977, 7 singles titles and 6 runners-up

http://www.atptennis.com/en/players/...=C044&x=11&y=8

Australian Open : Do not play
Roland Garros : Do not play
Wimbledon : Runner-up
US Open : Runner-up


Singles Titles:
Birmingham WCT
St. Louis WCT

Las Vegas
Dallas WCT
Maui
Sydney Indoor
Masters
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Re: The most incredible year - McEnroe's 1984???

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I never agreed with the premise of considering a players' dominance in any given year by a winning percentage. All of the players consider the Majors the ones to win, and anyone who has won 3 Majors in a year has accomplished more than a player who only won 2, regardless of what their percentages were. Rod Laver won the Grand Slam in 1969, and I think John McEnroe himself would consider that a more incredible year than his own 1984. You could also look at Jimmy Connors' 1974 as a more dominating year than McEnroe's 84. Jimmy won all of the Majors he was allowed to play- the ITF sanctioned and prevented him from playing the French, otherwise he very well may have won a Grand Slam that year.

McEnroe's 1984 has some characteristics (82-3 including 13 ATP Events + Davis Cup + World Team Cup)

1. 13 ATP Events Champions, 1 ATP Events Final (Roland Garros)

2. Davis Cup Final (He plays more Singles matches) and World Team Cup (Team Singles) Champion.

3. Counting all ATP Events and World Team Cup, he won at least 2 titles for all 3 surface : Grass, Hardcourt and Clay.

Overall, he entered all Singles tournament finals except Cincinnati (Early loser in 1st Round) - 14 Winners and 2 Runners-up.


I can't find any other players has such high-ratio final rate (16 of 17 Final)

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Re: The most incredible year - McEnroe's 1984???

Winning Grand Slams is what it's all about. Federer's '04 was just awesome.
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Re: The most incredible year - McEnroe's 1984???

we are talking about year not ranking...vilas in 1977 was the most incredible year
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