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ATP Tour and green clay

I never really paid attention to the US Clay court championships mostly because it's a joke (the title itself is like an oxymoron) but I did notice it's been on red clay.
So I have a few questions.
So when did the change to green clay happen?
Why are they using the balls that the women use for the US Open?

Is the ATP going to put more clay tournaments on green clay?

Are the rumours about the ATP and WTA trying to make a joint US clay tournament true?
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a) it happened because this is the last year in Houston and they decided to save money by not having a red clay laid and maintained - they pay them the people who lay it at RG to come over and do it so this was a major expense saved (although I believe there was a lawsuit over this alleging breach of contract)

b) balls - I don't know. Why do the women and men use different balls anyway?

c) just rumours at this point - I think there's a chance the Houston event could move to Charleston and merge with the Family Circle Cup into a joint event - but there are other possibilities too.
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c) just rumours at this point - I think there's a chance the Houston event could move to Charleston and merge with the Family Circle Cup into a joint event - but there are other possibilities too.
Charleston looks like hardcourt. Jankovic and Venus were playing like they were on carpet today!

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True. Jankovic and Venus were demonstrating high quality rallying - a rarity to see on both sides of the nets in the women's game. The surface seemed way too fast for a clay court . Maybe the girls were just smacking the ball .

I think a joint event is good for tennis and the fans. Charleston always gets very good crowd turnout, especially for an American event.

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Charleston looks like hardcourt. Jankovic and Venus were playing like they were on carpet today!
True. It was really fast.
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Charleston looks like hardcourt. Jankovic and Venus were playing like they were on carpet today!
Well green clay can play pretty fast compared to red clay, can get up close to carpet speeds if the right things happen.
It's been dry there and they don't have a system under the clay that wets the surface.

That speed difference is enough to help some players out.
James Blake has a pretty good record on green clay through challengers and this tournament but his record on red clay is well...
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Re: ATP Tour and green clay

they use green clay to save money
and they use women's balls because they are lighter and, therefore go fast (the tournament revolves around roddick)

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Green clay is amazing.

I love playing on it

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Call me an ignorant but I never understand why is so expensive to build a red clay court in USA. It doesn't make red bricks in the states??? So the bricks are green or what??

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The green clay is much easier to maintain. So they don't have to hire a whole crew to take care of it - that's what costs so much.

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Call me an ignorant but I never understand why is so expensive to build a red clay court in USA. It doesn't make red bricks in the states??? So the bricks are green or what??
Grey clay is actually made from crushed rocks as oppossed to crushed bricks, which is why it's green

But I still don't know why they can't use red clay in the US.


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Re: ATP Tour and green clay

There used to be a whole lot of events on green clay before they changed to hardcourt, like Indy and Washington were played on green clay.

The movement isn't the same as red clay and as has been mentioned it's made of different materials and it plays faster, though using a ball that weighs next to nothing helps with the play of course.

It's a shit surface but much better than astroturf or hardcourts.

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what about red grass guys ?
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Re: ATP Tour and green clay

Green clay is just pure shit ...

You would think that the US was a poor nation with all the complaints about the cost to maintain red clay.

Of course since Mr. Disney is doing his best to make clay as irrelevant as grass, they should probably just bulldoze all the clay courts here in the US - red or green - and just starting pouring the cement.

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